Manhattan vs Reeve’s Superman vs Thor vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Zack Fair
What do you mean exotic matter?

Nothing extraordinary above and beyond the understood definition of "exotic matter" in particle physics.

https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Exotic_matter.html

Basically, I do not want to commit a "no-limits fallacy" by pretending that Dr. Manhattan has the ability to disintegrate constructions of exotic matter because that matter, by definition, would operate "exotically" compared to regular matter. For example, Bose-Einstein Condensates (BEC) definitely do things that defy standard physics. The "field" that Dr. Manhattan uses to disintegrate matter constructions could radically operate differently on a BEC.

But the set of matter? There is nothing to suggest Dr. Manhattan is limited in anyway on any regular matter no matter the matter (pun?). If a person asserts that Superman would be immune to Dr. Manhattan's matter disintegration ability, than the burden of proof is on those gentlemen (or lady) to show that Superman can resist Dr. Manhattan's matter disintegration technique.

Originally posted by Kotor3
You are starting to sound like a child. You said he needed, I say he didn't how is that a lie? So if Superman receives help he needs it?

Alright this conversation is over.

Originally posted by Robtard
Molecular manipulation. If Superman's body is too durable to assplode, then Manhattan converts it to something that is less durable and then assplodes that.

I will hold my stand on this one until I hear an argument that includes an example. Saying someone has the ability to do something, doesn’t mean it can be done to power being.

Originally posted by Robtard
If the thought of that still has you saying "nope, not Superman.", then Manhattan also has the ability to teleport Superman into the nearest super-massive black hole where if he isn't torn apart by the gravity that is so strong that not even light can escape, he'll he effectively trapped, ie win via BFR.

That is one way he could definitely win. One we know Reeve’s Superman can travel faster than light. If I remember correctly, Manhattan does just teleport you through his thought. So he would have to hit superman first or catch him. Superman definitely has the speed to evade Manhattan.

Originally posted by Robtard
Another way too look at it: Superman can do nothing to harm Manhattan, who sees time (past, present and future) all at once and who can exist sans a body; as a consciousness alone. While Manhattan has options in ways to kill or dispose of Superman.

I am going to look up Manhattan and see if I can find a weak spot. Please remember these are the movie versions of these characters. I’ll get back to you on Manhattan.

This is horrible logic. If you feel the tactic can't work then you need to prove it. It's like saying I'm so strong cutting off my air supply won't kill me because I'm so powerful.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Dr. Manhattan is functionally a god. He doesn't belong in threads like these.

Originally posted by Robtard
Agreed. Manhattan could matter manipulate the rest. The only one who has a possible chance of harming Manhattan is the Surfer via his suicide attack that destroyed Galactus, but that won't matter.

But it does, at the very least, KO him. So that would end in him taking himself out of the fight and losing or, at best, stalemating.

Ok. I read up on Manhattan. It seems that they made him indestructible with no real weaknesses. The only thing superman could do is go back in time and take out Manhattan before he becomes Dr. Manhattan. Otherwise there is nothing he could do to hurt him that I see.

So I have agree no more Manhattan in my versus thread.

Originally posted by juggerman
But it does, at the very least, KO him. So that would end in him taking himself out of the fight and losing or, at best, stalemating.

Either ways, Surfer is the last man standing here.

Manhattan would reform and it was shown that it only takes him moments to do so after being completely destroyed. He wins

Originally posted by Kotor3
Or Superman uses his speed to distort time and send Manhattan to the stone age.

Or Superman sucks up Manhattan essence fly to the Sun and blows Manhattan into the Sun.

And having a reality bender in your lungs, even if that would actually work, would not work out well for Supes. Supes cant hurt Manhattan, he cant contain him, and has no way to stop him at all. Its mindblowing that any of you think Supes stands any kind of chance here.

Originally posted by juggerman
Manhattan would reform and it was shown that it only takes him moments to do so after being completely destroyed. He wins

It didn't take him moments to reform from Adrian's attack.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Manhattan could perceive time as fast or as slow as he needs. I don't remember the quote, but Supermans speed wont save him because he will be vaporized before he has the chance to do anything with it.

And having a reality bender in your lungs, even if that would actually work, would not work out well for Supes. Supes cant hurt Manhattan, he cant contain him, and has no way to stop him at all. Its mindblowing that any of you think Supes stands any kind of chance here.

I'm guessing you didn't see my latest post. Anyway, the only thing I disagree with in your post is that superman speed wouldn't be a factor. Doesn't Manhattan have issues with things that move faster than light?

Originally posted by Epicurus
The Surfer was seen floating space in the post-credits, alive and well. So it's not a "suicide" attack.

IIRC, we only see the board floating, as a hint that the Surfer could be alive.

But I watched the film long ago.

Originally posted by Epicurus
When did Manhattan showcase the ability to reform from an exotic energy being destroying attack?

It didn't take him moments to reform from Adrian's attack.

He survived the only know thing that does him any damage/harm at all and he was no worse for ware.

It did take him moments and not only did he return easily he had full control of his power and turned into a giant just to intimidate Ozy

Originally posted by Kotor3
I am going to look up Manhattan and see if I can find a weak spot. Please remember these are the movie versions of these characters. I’ll get back to you on Manhattan.

I'll save you time.

He has no weaknesses except large amounts of tachyon emissions. Even then, the only negative effect it has is causing Manhattan to lose his ability to see all potential realities.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Either ways, Surfer is the last man standing here.

Except he's not. He's vaporized with a thought.

Originally posted by Epicurus
When did Manhattan showcase the ability to reform from an exotic energy being destroying attack?

When did Silver Surfer showcase immunity to being vaporized?

Exactly.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'll save you time.

He has no weaknesses except large amounts of tachyon emissions. Even then, the only negative effect it has is causing Manhattan to lose his ability to see all potential realities.

Yes I posted that I read up on Manhattan. Manhattan wins because the only thing I can think of superman doing is turning back time to when Dr. Manhattan was human.

I am not using him in versus threads anymore since he has no known weaknesses that can destroy him.

Originally posted by dadudemon

When did Silver Surfer showcase immunity to being vaporized?

Exactly.

I am not saying that he cannot but this argument has been used and stated as a definite for Manhattan to use on Superman, Thor, and Surfer.

What exactly has Manhattan done that shows that he can vaporized beings that like him can travel through space especially one that can create a rift in space and time with his own body and survive (Superman)?

In the movies Thor Hammer brought him back to life. It seems that the only way to kill Thor would be to destroy his hammer. I am not sure can that be done?

Originally posted by Kotor3
What exactly has Manhattan done that shows that he can vaporized beings that like him can travel through space especially one that can create a rift in space and time with his own body and survive (Superman)?

Simple: he can literally atomize matter.

So, it does not matter what kind of matter someone is made out of: they will atomize. 🙂

The Silver Surfer is an organic being. Not even adamantium would stand up to being atomized at the atomic level. Nothing can.

The burden is not on the Manhattan supporters who say he can atomize matter: that was already seen on screen multiple times. The burden is on those claiming that the other characters have a special immunity shield to Manhattan's powers. That's so extremely specific as to be laughable: that's clearly not the case.

Here is what it amounts to:

Normal Child 1: Let's play Army!

Stupid Child: K.

Normal: Okay, I have 10 army tanks, 50 missile launchers, and 2 bombers fully loaded with 2000 pound bombs.

Stupid: I have anti-army tank shields, anti-missile shields, and anti-bomber shields. I also have a nuclear bomb.

Normal: O rly? Derp.

Ok i make this clear for everyone here.

Superman and Thor are non factors here.

Now lets compare Dr Manhattan and silver surfer.

Dr Manhattan can manipulate matter on a SUB ATOMIC level , can return from absolute nothingness ... ok i don't have to write anymore power since those two are enough for anyone who is made of matter , silver surfer has shown some great powers i mean really great but unfortunately he is made of matter 🙁 and none of his powers can destroy Dr Manhattan so i give this to Dr.