That's not a good analogy when it comes to sub atomic world , what you are talking about is molecular structure of something but electrons and protons are the reason for different mass and qualities , once someone passes molecular structure and get to the sub atomic world things will work differently and also Superman has no way of hurting Dr Manhattan since he can phase through matter
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i have to side with the notion that manipulation surfer's intrinsic field for the easy win isn't entirely concrete. surfer can manipulate his own molecular structure somehow while moving quite rapidly so quick draw isn't even in manhattan's favor either. it just seems dubious
Hmm. I respect your opinions so I may reconsider.
I just don't view Manhattan's seemingly magical ability as something anyone can block including himself (pretend an evil clone was made: I don't see Manhattan being able to even block himself....but Manhattan will be able to just reform himself over and over).
Originally posted by DrDeadpool
That's not a good analogy when it comes to sub atomic world , what you are talking about is molecular structure of something but electrons and protons are the reason for different mass and qualities , once someone passes molecular structure and get to the sub atomic world things will work differently and also Superman has no way of hurting Dr Manhattan since he can phase through matter
I have already given the win to Manhattan since I do not have the time neither am interested in trying to find a weakness of his that Superman can exploit. So I agree, I do not know of something that Superman can do to hurt him besides going back in time and taking him out before he becomes Dr. Manhattan.
You are saying it is not a good analogy but not really explaining why. What is molecular structure without the sub atomic world? You really think creating a rift in space and time using speed doesn’t affect your body at the sub atomic level?
Look, I have given examples and analogies, actually mostly everyone that has argued against Dr. Manhattan vaporizing his components in a flash have brought up examples to back up their argument. Yet, I haven’t seen one for all who are supporting Dr. Manhattan vaporizing his components in a flash theory.
Originally posted by Kotor3
I have already given the win to Manhattan since I do not have the time neither am interested in trying to find a weakness of his that Superman can exploit. So I agree, I do not know of something that Superman can do to hurt him besides going back in time and taking him out before he becomes Dr. Manhattan.You are saying it is not a good analogy but not really explaining why. What is molecular structure without the sub atomic world? You really think creating a rift in space and time using speed doesn’t affect your body at the sub atomic level?
Look, I have given examples and analogies, actually mostly everyone that has argued against Dr. Manhattan vaporizing his components in a flash have brought up examples to back up their argument. Yet, I haven’t seen one for all who are supporting Dr. Manhattan vaporizing his components in a flash theory.
Why I should assume that those actions will affect matter on a subatomic level when they are just theories in reality? unless something else has been affected by them in the superman movies in a sub atomic level , only travelling to future is possible in high speeds in reality which wont affect matter on a sub atomic level ,what you are saying would have been true if we were talking about someone that has molecular manipulation power since then we had to discuss about van der waals force and etc and it could have been said that superman can resist it but here its about sub atomic manipulation , believe me I'm studying atoms for years and its not like what you think , actions in sub atomic worlds are completely different than real world and this guy Manhattan can control them , that somehow make him a God ! 🙂
Originally posted by DrDeadpool
Why I should assume that those actions will affect matter on a subatomic level when they are just theories in reality? unless something else has been affected by them in the superman movies in a sub atomic level , only travelling to future is possible in high speeds in reality which wont affect matter on a sub atomic level ,what you are saying would have been true if we were talking about someone that has molecular manipulation power since then we had to discuss about van der waals force and etc and it could have been said that superman can resist it but here its about sub atomic manipulation , believe me I'm studying atoms for years and its not like what you think , actions in sub atomic worlds are completely different than real world and this guy Manhattan can control them , that somehow make him a God ! 🙂
Lets’ leave the word reality out of a discussion that entails superheroes. Your statement “only travelling to future is possible in high speeds in reality “is not a reality. That is a fact.
Going back to the world of unreality. I am not an expert on atoms but I do like to study space. I am making this assumption base on the fact that he went back in time. So, if his molecular structure allowed him to survive the opening of the rift in space which you can liken to a wormhole, he went through it with his body not a ship. I would equate that to him being teleported which in most science fiction movies requires a breakdown of your molecules and reforming of them.
Remember I am not stating Superman can resist Manhattan manipulating his atoms but he has to get the attack off. Also, are you stating he will just vaporize superman in a sec? Manipulation, and vaporization are two different things.
To just clarify your argument for me could you please state exactly what Manhattan would do to his molecular structure. Separate it, etc.
Thx
The reeves time travel argument is a big fail on many levels. I don't know why people love to debate that point. One of the biggest plot holes ever made made by him, further more he only turned back time for a few minutes? How would he know the exact time Jon was born and be able to find him and kill him? He can't.
Time travel fail.
Manhatten wins
Originally posted by dadudemon
Awww. How sad for you that you missed the part where that's what he does at the end of the movie. 🙁
I was unaware that self-speculation on a character's part now counted as an actual feat.
Originally posted by dadudemon
It's also very sad that you missed some character development.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Curing her cancer was well within his power: it would have been child's play.
But still, while we're at it, do go ahead and explain exactly what in the movie indicates that Manhattan could actually solve the problem her biology presented.
Heck, let alone cancer, if his control over matter is even half as good as you're wanking it to be, he would have suspended her aging process since that was exactly the reason why they grew apart.
But I forget I am talking to the oaf who relies on dupe calculations, made-up feats and outright lying to support his favorite character.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Why do you think he chose to not cure her cancer and, instead, abandoned the earth?
In fact, now that we're at it, explain to me why he didn't lobotomize Rorschach or just erase his memories instead of killing him? Because his matter manip is way below average, and not even close to what the Surfer can do. All that Manhattan is capable of is blowing people up in a blue flash of light, just like how you blow your Manhattan action figure in private.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Keep in mind that he is almost omniscient in ability (meaning, he knows he didn't cause her cancer and he knew she was to get cancer).
And his precognitive abilities were blocked during that time period anyways. He couldn't see his future, so he had no way of knowing that he wasn't responsible for her disease.
Originally posted by dadudemon
If you cannot even understand the simple points of the movie, you cannot debate them. You must walk before you can run.
You also haven't addressed the Surfer reviving Sue Storm from death. Which is a feat Manhattan couldn't achieve in his wildest dreams.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i have to side with the notion that manipulation surfer's intrinsic field for the easy win isn't entirely concrete. surfer can manipulate his own molecular structure somehow while moving quite rapidly so quick draw isn't even in manhattan's favor either. it just seems dubious
Originally posted by Epicurus
"I think maybe I'll create some."I was unaware that self-speculation on a character's part now counted as an actual feat.
Character development doesn't equate to power development. Manhattan's character is a cliched "A God Am I" trope anyways.
Making baseless claims without any proof whatsoever is well within your ability.
But still, while we're at it, do go ahead and explain exactly what in the movie indicates that Manhattan could actually solve the problem her biology presented.
Heck, let alone cancer, if his control over matter is even half as good as you're wanking it to be, he would have suspended her aging process since that was exactly the reason why they grew apart.
But I forget I am talking to the oaf who relies on dupe calculations, made-up feats and outright lying to support his favorite character.
Um, because he couldn't? This would be obvious to even a 6 year old child, but comparing you to a 6 year old intelligence wise is insulting said 6 year old.
In fact, now that we're at it, explain to me why he didn't lobotomize Rorschach or just erase his memories instead of killing him? Because his matter manip is way below average, and not even close to what the Surfer can do. All that Manhattan is capable of is blowing people up in a blue flash of light, just like how you blow your Manhattan action figure in private.
Lol, what a f*cking idiot. He isn't omniscient, and he admits that outright in the movie itself.
And his precognitive abilities were blocked during that time period anyways. He couldn't see his future, so he had no way of knowing that he wasn't responsible for her disease.
Lol, irony at its finest. It's like arguing with a f*cking Creationist at this point.
You also haven't addressed the Surfer reviving Sue Storm from death. Which is a feat Manhattan couldn't achieve in his wildest dreams.
You tried and failed because you lacked fundamental understanding of the film (or books) and it is reflected in your continued ignorance.
But let's be honest: You actually know what's up but pretend not to to troll.
You still haven't presented a case for Surfer's ability to resist Manhattan's powers. I have presented a case for Manahattan resisting Surfer's powers (he can just reform if destroyed).
Therefore, the argument defaults to Manhattan. Take your loss with dignity instead of continuing to throw a fit.
Originally posted by Epicurus
But still, while we're at it, do go ahead and explain exactly what in the movie indicates that Manhattan could actually solve the problem her biology presented.Heck, let alone cancer, if his control over matter is even half as good as you're wanking it to be, he would have suspended her aging process since that was exactly the reason why they grew apart.
In fact, now that we're at it, explain to me why he didn't lobotomize Rorschach or just erase his memories instead of killing him? Because his matter manip is way below average, and not even close to what the Surfer can do. All that Manhattan is capable of is blowing people up in a blue flash of light, just like how you blow your Manhattan action figure in private.
You also haven't addressed the Surfer reviving Sue Storm from death. Which is a feat Manhattan couldn't achieve in his wildest dreams.
You bring up some good points about Manhattan. Even superman could have taken Rorschach memories away like he did with Louis.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Just that you're ignorant of Manhattan's character.
I have walked across the surface of the sun, witnessed events so tiny and fast that they could be said to not have occurred at all. But you Adrian, you're just a man. And the world's smartest man poses no more a threat to me than does its smartest termite."
While he doesn't refer to himself as a god per se in this quote, that clearly is something which one would ascribe to the "A God Am I" trope.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You tried and failed because you lacked fundamental understanding of the film (or books) and it is reflected in your continued ignorance.But let's be honest: You actually know what's up but pretend not to to troll.
You still haven't presented a case for Surfer's ability to resist Manhattan's powers. I have presented a case for Manahattan resisting Surfer's powers (he can just reform if destroyed).
Therefore, the argument defaults to Manhattan. Take your loss with dignity instead of continuing to throw a fit.
And as far as books do go, you don't want to get into a debate against comic Surfer's feats, dude.
I have. The Silver Surfer survived his own Galactus-buster attack, despite being at the epicenter of it. That level of power is way beyond anything Manhattan showed in either the movies or the comic books.
No it doesn't. Manhattan is one of the most overrated and overhyped herald-level characters in fiction. A little hyperbole here and there, and his fanboys pretend as if he's an Abstract or some sh1t.
Based on actual feats, Surfer mercs him.
Surfer does have a big buster move that takes him out in the process. Which is a bigger output then we have seen from Manhatten. How will it kill DM though? As he has no real way to die. I have not seen anything from SS to take DM down definitively though. I can think of a lot of ways DM could down SS though. Surfer was outsmarted by earths smartest person, as Manhatten stated earth smartest human is no more a threat to him then earth smartest terminte. Showing the insignificance of humans to him. I think its safe to assume he could outsmart SS as well.
Originally posted by Epicurus
I have. The Silver Surfer survived his own Galactus-buster attack, despite being at the epicenter of it. That level of power is way beyond anything Manhattan showed in either the movies or the comic books.
You haven't. We did not actually see the Silver Surfer after the explosion. And I noticed you did not address the point I made in my post (the actually only point I made) that destroys your position, utterly. Stop being a turd and concede. You know I'm right.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The reeves time travel argument is a big fail on many levels. I don't know why people love to debate that point. One of the biggest plot holes ever made made by him, further more he only turned back time for a few minutes? How would he know the exact time Jon was born and be able to find him and kill him? He can't.Time travel fail.
Manhatten wins
He clearly knew when to stop before Louis die so as to rescue her. He did not just go back at a random time. If that was the case he would have had to rescue everyone else that he did previously.