Manhattan vs Reeve’s Superman vs Thor vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Kotor3
I'm guessing you didn't see my latest post. Anyway, the only thing I disagree with in your post is that superman speed wouldn't be a factor. Doesn't Manhattan have issues with things that move faster than light?

Although i don't remember Superman having near light speed in superman return let alone to faster than light ( which is a middle finger to physics 😄 ) but that doesn't matter since Superman's speed ( light speed or not ) wont help him why ? because Dr Manhattan said he can witness fast and tiny events which he is referring to sub atomic particles that can move at near light speed and its logical because for manipulating matter he has to move electrons from their orbitals to a higher or a lower orbital and electrons are moving at near light speed and have a VERY complicated way of moving (read about Uncertainty principle) but still Dr Manhattan can move them.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Simple: he can literally atomize matter.
So, it does not matter what kind of matter someone is made out of: they will atomize. 🙂

The Silver Surfer is an organic being. Not even adamantium would stand up to being atomized at the atomic level. Nothing can.

The burden is not on the Manhattan supporters who say he can atomize matter: that was already seen on screen multiple times. The burden is on those claiming that the other characters have a special immunity shield to Manhattan's powers. That's so extremely specific as to be laughable: that's clearly not the case.

Yes I got it, Matter is Matter.

Basically your comment is the same as everyone else who says Manhattan can vaporized them. I have not read a comment where someone has said that anyone would be immune to Manhattan powers. I personally have shown recognition to those statements as a possibility. My point is that I hear comments that Dr. Manhattan could do this in a flash.

That is like saying that Steel can be bent in the same amount of time as rubber. A tank and a human mass is not the same as Superman, Thor, or Surfer. The burden of proof in on those who say that Thor, Superman, and Surfer would just be vaporized. Unless you have an example of Dr. Manhattan doing this to something of similar mass the comment is absurd.

There are many attacks that either of the other components could do that would prevent Dr. Manhattan from completing his vaporization technique.

Originally posted by DrDeadpool
Although i don't remember Superman having near light speed in superman return let alone to faster than light ( which is a middle finger to physics 😄 ) but that doesn't matter since Superman's speed ( light speed or not ) wont help him why ? because Dr Manhattan said he can witness fast and tiny events which he is referring to sub atomic particles that can move at near light speed and its logical because for manipulating matter he has to move electrons from their orbitals to a higher or a lower orbital and electrons are moving at near light speed and have a VERY complicated way of moving (read about Uncertainty principle) but still Dr Manhattan can move them.

Superman I and II he moves faster than light. Especially when he turns back time.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'll save you time.

He has no weaknesses except large amounts of tachyon emissions. Even then, the only negative effect it has is causing Manhattan to lose his ability to see all potential realities.

In the Silver Surfer, he faces exactly that type of challenge.

Also, coincidentally the Surfer also shares that tachyon weakness as a tachyon pulse is the only known way so far to separate him from his board. Basically speaking, Manhattan is a surferless, blue-colored version of the Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Except he's not. He's vaporized with a thought.

Don't bring up matter manip, because the Surfer can do that as well. The Surfer can manipulate his molecules as seen whenever he's phasing through matter and even energy-based forcefields. That and the fact

Originally posted by dadudemon

When did Silver Surfer showcase immunity to being vaporized?

Originally posted by dadudemon

Exactly.

The Surfer's powerset is almost the exact same thing as Manhattan's. His far better feats from the movies are what give him the definitive edge against Osterman in this and any other Surfer vs Manhattan based thread.

Originally posted by Epicurus
No-Limits-Fallacy. He has never faced another being on the same level as he is for us to gauge just how difficult it is to kill him.

In the Silver Surfer, he faces exactly that type of challenge.

Also, coincidentally the Surfer also shares that tachyon weakness as a tachyon pulse is the only known way so far to separate him from his board. Basically speaking, Manhattan is a surferless, blue-colored version of the Silver Surfer.

You're committing the no-limits fallacy (by claiming Surfer has immunity to Manhattan's vaporizing ability) and violating the MvF Golden Rule because that resistance was not seen on screen. You're faultily assuming they magically posses some sort of magical shield against an atomizer when nothing seen on screen demonstrates that.

You already knew that was my argument so I am not sure why you would make a point that I have already destroyed.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Ignorant statement. The Surfer's own Jupiter-sized Galactus-busting explosion didn't kill him, what makes you think Manhattan can?

Stupid statement. A bullet can kill a professional boxer but it does not deliver anymore inertia than a slap to the face while a professional boxer can punch someone so hard in the face that it breaks facial bones. Atomizing someone will certainly kill them no matter how much power they have.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Don't bring up matter manip, because the Surfer can do that as well. The Surfer can manipulate his molecules as seen whenever he's phasing through matter and even energy-based forcefields. That and the fact

Here's the problem with your stupid (again) argument is:
1. You must prove that the surfer has immunity to Manhattan's atomizing ability.
2. #1 wasn't seen on-screen and therefore, cannot be proven, so your argument fails from the onset.
3. Even if they were equal in their ability to manipulate matter (they are not...not even close), Manhattan can reform himself and Surfer cannot.

Originally posted by Epicurus
When he survived an attack which destroyed an energy-based entity that dwarfed the whole of planet Earth.

Again, irrelevant. That literally does nothing at all to support Surfer's case. Surfer could have blown up 500,000,000 galaxies at once and that still would not matter because he's made of matter, is mortal, and has no immunity to Manhattan's abilities. See point #3, again. 🙂

Originally posted by Epicurus
Not really. Ignoring context and casually employing no-limits-fallacies isn't the same as proving a point with facts and evidence.

Seriously, I know you are you but what am I?

Originally posted by Epicurus
The Surfer's powerset is almost the exact same thing as Manhattan's.

No it's not. 😐

And even if they were extremely similar, please refer to #3. 🙂

Originally posted by Epicurus
His far better feats from the movies are what give him the definitive edge against Osterman in this and any other Surfer vs Manhattan based thread.

Which would be very dumb, hard-headed, stupid, and childish of you. But that's just part for the course with you, always. 😉

But, who cares, right? You got to argue with people on the internet and think you're incorrectly right, yet again? WHEEEE!

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're committing the no-limits fallacy (by claiming Surfer has immunity to Manhattan's vaporizing ability) and violating the MvF Golden Rule because that resistance was not seen on screen. You're faultily assuming they magically posses some sort of magical shield against an atomizer when nothing seen on screen demonstrates that.

You already knew that was my argument so I am not sure why you would make a point that I have already destroyed.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Stupid statement. A bullet can kill a professional boxer but it does not deliver anymore inertia than a slap to the face while a professional boxer can punch someone so hard in the face that it breaks facial bones. Atomizing someone will certainly kill them no matter how much power they have.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Here's the problem with your stupid (again) argument is:
1. You must prove that the surfer has immunity to Manhattan's atomizing ability.
2. #1 wasn't seen on-screen and therefore, cannot be proven, so your argument fails from the onset.
3. Even if they were equal in their ability to manipulate matter (they are not...not even close), Manhattan can reform himself and Surfer cannot.

Heck, if anyone actually even has a legit "atomization" feat, it's the Surfer based on how he casually deconstructed and then reconstructed Doom right down to the very last atom, and without his metallic defect.

All that Manhattan ever did was blow people up in a flash of blue light. An incendiary bomb or a landmine could do what Manhattan did, in a less flashier manner obviously. What the Surfer performed during his encounter with Doom was actual manipulation of matter, a feat which Manhattan never duplicated throughout the movie on anyone but himself. And it took him several unsuccessful to get it right the first time(when he first reconstructed his body).

Reed specifically noted that the Surfer's powerset gave him complete control over matter and energy. All onscreen. Which you will ignore, like the dimwit you are.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Again, irrelevant. That literally does nothing at all to support Surfer's case. Surfer could have blown up 500,000,000 galaxies at once and that still would not matter because he's made of matter, is mortal, and has no immunity to Manhattan's abilities. See point #3, again. 🙂

😂 Do you realize how utterly stupid that sounds? Manhattan, the overhyped featless wonder is now above galaxy-busting powersets? Get off that crack asap, bud.

What proof do you have that the Surfer is mortal(him being incapable of committing suicide tells us otherwise)? The Surfer has his own matter manip which can easily counteract Manhattan's attempts to control him. The Surfer was impervious to Sue Storm's forcefields. It seems that you never saw the FF movie and are making up over 90% of the bs you spout about the Surfer in this thread.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Seriously, I know you are you but what am I?

Originally posted by dadudemon

No it's not. 😐

And even if they were extremely similar, please refer to #3. 🙂

Just watch the goddamned movie before you make another ignorant rant in this thread.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Which would be very dumb, hard-headed, stupid, and childish of you. But that's just part for the course with you, always. 😉

But, who cares, right? You got to argue with people on the internet and think you're incorrectly right, yet again? WHEEEE!

What a dumbass, lol.

Either debate the point or just exit from the discussion altogether. I have neither the patience nor the time to engage in pointless flamewars.

Originally posted by Epicurus
WTF are you talking about? I already provided evidence which showcases Surfer's durability and the fact that how his own matter manip capabilities counteract Manhattan's control over atomic structure. That's not a no-limits-fallacy. A no-limits-fallacy is saying that Manhattan can survive an exotic energy attack which kills planet-sized energy beings.

No you didn't.

Again:

Here's the problem with your stupid (again) argument is:
1. You must prove that the surfer has immunity to Manhattan's atomizing ability.
2. #1 wasn't seen on-screen and therefore, cannot be proven, so your argument fails from the onset.
3. Even if they were equal in their ability to manipulate matter (they are not...not even close), Manhattan can reform himself and Surfer cannot.

You're committing the no-limits fallacy (by claiming Surfer has immunity to Manhattan's vaporizing ability) and violating the MvF Golden Rule because that resistance was not seen on screen. You're faultily assuming they magically posses some sort of magical shield against an atomizer when nothing seen on screen demonstrates that.

Originally posted by Epicurus
😂 If the bullet is fired at someone's face, it does far worse damage than a boxer bunching the very same face.. It all depends on the caliber of the bullet, the aim etc. How the heck do you even atomize a being who can easily manipulate his own atomic structure? Bullshit logic is bullshit logic.

Fail. You not only missed my point entirely, you proceeded, while faultily assuming you were contradicting me, to actually prove my point with my example. The bullet, despite the fact that it carries much much less energy than a punch, kills the person. The punch does not. Here's what you were supposed to take away from that: Just because the energy used to vaporize matter is much less than a planet sized explosion, does not mean that Silver Surfer is immune to and it also does not mean Surfer can magically withstand it, either. Because you appear to have missed the point so severely and utterly, I'll explain it more clearly: the gun and bullet is Manhattan and the Boxer is Surfer.

Originally posted by Epicurus
You do this every time. Make a baseless and retarded argument(like that dumb million ton-force dupe calc you did for twilight vamps)

Contradict that argument, good sir! I welcome you to do so. You can't. It's pretty standard physics. 🙂 Until then, stop whining about it because it is quite obvious you're a sore loser about it.

Originally posted by Epicurus
and when pointed out the utter oafishness of said argument, put earplugs in your ears and just go into a repeat mode of "No you!" responses.

No, that's what you do. I bet you I could find at least 5 people that would agree with me, troll. 🙂

Originally posted by Epicurus
1. The Surfer can survive an attack capable of killing an energy being, which means it is utterly dumb to claim that atomizing could have even the least bit of effects on him.
2. Completely and utterly false. We saw that he could survive an attack which theoretically transcends atomization aka destroying energy itself. Which defies the very laws of thermodynamics.
3. I agree that they aren't close, since the Surfer has far better feats, what with drilling holes through the Earth, phasing through forcefields and whatnot. Heck, Doom with his rudimentary knowledge of the Power Cosmic was capable of creating storms, telekinetic power etc.

Fail. None of those actually contradict anything I've stated.
1. "energy being" is completely and entirely irrelevant to the fact that Surfer is made of matter, is mortal, and can be atomized by Manhattan.
2. And I quote again: "1. You must prove that the surfer has immunity to Manhattan's atomizing ability. 2. #1 wasn't seen on-screen and therefore, cannot be proven, so your argument fails from the onset." Let me make it more clear: Manhattan's ability to atomize matter is indistinguishable from magic.
3. "Derp. He drilled holes." K. And a cheap imitation of Manhattan's power left massive craters all over the earth. Or did you forget about that?

Originally posted by Epicurus
Heck, if anyone actually even has a legit "atomization" feat, it's the Surfer based on how he casually deconstructed and then reconstructed Doom right down to the very last atom, and without his metallic defect.

How cute. You actually think you've made a superlative point.

Dr. Manhattan would like a word with you about the scale of transmutation and matter reconstruction:

Originally posted by Epicurus
Reed specifically noted that the Surfer's powerset gave him complete control over matter and energy. All onscreen. Which you will ignore, like the dimwit you are.

And yet, that just wasn't true as seen onscreen. Exaggerated statements made by characters who, within the context of the movie, are almost entirely ignorant of characters, mean jack. This is part of why we have the MVF Golden Rule. It's because people like you looove to make idiotic statements like the above.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Of course it is irrelevant, since it completely undermines your argument.

😂 Do you realize how utterly stupid that sounds? Manhattan, the overhyped featless wonder is now above galaxy-busting powersets? Get off that crack asap, bud.

What proof do you have that the Surfer is mortal(him being incapable of committing suicide tells us otherwise)? The Surfer has his own matter manip which can easily counteract Manhattan's attempts to control him. The Surfer was impervious to Sue Storm's forcefields. It seems that you never saw the FF movie and are making up over 90% of the bs you spout about the Surfer in this thread.

You typed a whole bunch of stuff to just concede my point, towards the end. You do realize how childish you appear pretty much all the time, right? Whine, stomp your feet, yell, scream, and shit yourself all you want. Pretending a point of mine does not exist just to concede it at the end is hilarious. Dance more, please.

Also, lol@You asking for proof that Surfer was mortal.

Originally posted by Epicurus
I have no idea what you are meaning here because I am simply missing your point, entirely, again. This happens frequently between myself and other posters. Forgive me, but I don't exactly know what you meant.

What you said...applies to you, not me. That's what "I know you are but what am I?" means. 🙁

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yes it is, and the Surfer has considerably better feats than building a fragile structure which a human can collapse with a single strike or merely teleporting people around.

Just watch the goddamned movie before you make another ignorant rant in this thread.

facepalm

What a dumbass, lol.

Either debate the point or just exit from the discussion altogether. I have neither the patience nor the time to engage in pointless flamewars.

I did not engage in a flamewar with you. Not even a little. But you did with the name calling. You could improve your debating style to be less troll-y.

Edit -

As soon as the fight starts, this is what happens to all the opposing side:

http://youtu.be/oeFZXNDz7uA?t=1m26s

Note that Dr. Manhattan says he can change almost anything (anything but human nature). That's a much more qualified statement that Reed's ignorant statement regarding Surfer. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
No you didn't.

Again:

Here's the problem with your stupid (again) argument is:
1. You must prove that the surfer has immunity to Manhattan's atomizing ability.
2. #1 wasn't seen on-screen and therefore, cannot be proven, so your argument fails from the onset.
3. Even if they were equal in their ability to manipulate matter (they are not...not even close), Manhattan can reform himself and Surfer cannot.

1. Already did, at least 3 times in the previous post.
2. It was, you never saw the movie so that's not my problem. Manhattan never atomized anyone either. Atomizing people doesn't leave blood and skeletal remains. Think.
3. I agree they aren't close, as the Surfer completely outclasses Manhattan based on screen feats. You Manhattan fanboys sure have a strange way of wanking your fave character to no end.

Originally posted by dadudemon

You're committing the no-limits fallacy

Irony in its finest form.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Fail. You not only missed my point entirely, you proceeded, while faultily assuming you were contradicting me, to actually prove my point with my example. The bullet, despite the fact that it carries much much less energy than a punch, kills the person. The punch does not. Here's what you were supposed to take away from that: Just because the energy used to vaporize matter is much less than a planet sized explosion, does not mean that Silver Surfer is immune to and it also does not mean Surfer can magically withstand it, either. Because you appear to have missed the point so severely and utterly, I'll explain it more clearly: the gun and bullet is Manhattan and the Boxer is Surfer.

In terms of the kinetic energy output, no amount of you Fight Science style dupe physics can convince a sane and rational mind that a punch has more energy than a bullet.

😂 Manhattan never vaporized matter. I think you don't know how energy transfer works based on this ignorant statement. Not to mention the entity whom the Surfer destroyed was made of energy, so what that bodes for Manhattan, I'll let you decide.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Contradict that argument, good sir! I welcome you to do so. You can't. It's pretty standard physics. 🙂 Until then, stop whining about it because it is quite obvious you're a sore loser about it.

Originally posted by dadudemon

No, that's what you do. I bet you I could find at least 5 people that would agree with me, troll. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon

Fail. None of those actually contradict anything I've stated.
1. "energy being" is completely and entirely irrelevant to the fact that Surfer is made of matter, is mortal, and can be atomized by Manhattan.
2. And I quote again: "1. You must prove that the surfer has immunity to Manhattan's atomizing ability. 2. #1 wasn't seen on-screen and therefore, cannot be proven, so your argument fails from the onset." Let me make it more clear: Manhattan's ability to atomize matter is indistinguishable from magic.
3. "Derp. He drilled holes." K. And a cheap imitation of Manhattan's power left massive craters all over the earth. Or did you forget about that?

Spoiler:
Gregor Clegane squished Martell's face like a water balloon

Originally posted by dadudemon

How cute. You actually think you've made a superlative point.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Dr. Manhattan would like a word with you about the scale of transmutation and matter reconstruction:

http://www.morethings.com/fan/watchmen/manhattan-watchmen-160.jpg

Originally posted by dadudemon

And yet, that just wasn't true as seen onscreen. Exaggerated statements made by characters who, within the context of the movie, are almost entirely ignorant of characters, mean jack. This is part of why we have the MVF Golden Rule. It's because people like you looove to make idiotic statements like the above.

Originally posted by dadudemon

You typed a whole bunch of stuff to just

Originally posted by dadudemon

Also, lol@You asking for proof that Surfer was mortal.

Originally posted by dadudemon

What you said...

Originally posted by dadudemon

I did not engage in a flamewar with you.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Edit -

As soon as the fight starts, this is what happens to all the opposing side:

http://youtu.be/oeFZXNDz7uA?t=1m26s

Note that Dr. Manhattan says he can change almost anything (anything but human nature). That's a much more qualified statement that Reed's ignorant statement regarding Surfer. 🙂

And just a few posts ago you ignorantly claimed that Reed Richards' claims were exaggerated. 🙄

I honestly wonder if you have even the remotest grasp of the concept of irony. If you did, you wouldn't write shit like this above. Which is an insult to the collective intelligence of humankind.

Every last one of your arguments has already been destroyed and contradicted. Just re-read my posts for your replies. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
No you didn't.

Again:

Here's the problem with your stupid (again) argument is:
1. You must prove that the surfer has immunity to Manhattan's atomizing ability.
2. #1 wasn't seen on-screen and therefore, cannot be proven, so your argument fails from the onset.
3. Even if they were equal in their ability to manipulate matter (they are not...not even close), Manhattan can reform himself and Surfer cannot.

You're committing the no-limits fallacy (by claiming Surfer has immunity to Manhattan's vaporizing ability) and violating the MvF Golden Rule because that resistance was not seen on screen. You're faultily assuming they magically posses some sort of magical shield against an atomizer when nothing seen on screen demonstrates that.

Fail. You not only missed my point entirely, you proceeded, while faultily assuming you were contradicting me, to actually prove my point with my example. The bullet, despite the fact that it carries much much less energy than a punch, kills the person. The punch does not. Here's what you were supposed to take away from that: Just because the energy used to vaporize matter is much less than a planet sized explosion, does not mean that Silver Surfer is immune to and it also does not mean Surfer can magically withstand it, either. Because you appear to have missed the point so severely and utterly, I'll explain it more clearly: the gun and bullet is Manhattan and the Boxer is Surfer.

Contradict that argument, good sir! I welcome you to do so. You can't. It's pretty standard physics. 🙂 Until then, stop whining about it because it is quite obvious you're a sore loser about it.

No, that's what you do. I bet you I could find at least 5 people that would agree with me, troll. 🙂

Fail. None of those actually contradict anything I've stated.
1. "energy being" is completely and entirely irrelevant to the fact that Surfer is made of matter, is mortal, and can be atomized by Manhattan.
2. And I quote again: "1. You must prove that the surfer has immunity to Manhattan's atomizing ability. 2. #1 wasn't seen on-screen and therefore, cannot be proven, so your argument fails from the onset." Let me make it more clear: Manhattan's ability to atomize matter is indistinguishable from magic.
3. "Derp. He drilled holes." K. And a cheap imitation of Manhattan's power left massive craters all over the earth. Or did you forget about that?

How cute. You actually think you've made a superlative point.

Dr. Manhattan would like a word with you about the scale of transmutation and matter reconstruction:

And yet, that just wasn't true as seen onscreen. Exaggerated statements made by characters who, within the context of the movie, are almost entirely ignorant of characters, mean jack. This is part of why we have the MVF Golden Rule. It's because people like you looove to make idiotic statements like the above.

You typed a whole bunch of stuff to just concede my point, towards the end. You do realize how childish you appear pretty much all the time, right? Whine, stomp your feet, yell, scream, and shit yourself all you want. Pretending a point of mine does not exist just to concede it at the end is hilarious. Dance more, please.

Also, lol@You asking for proof that Surfer was mortal.

What you said...applies to you, not me. That's what "I know you are but what am I?" means. 🙁

I did not engage in a flamewar with you. Not even a little. But you did with the name calling. You could improve your debating style to be less troll-y.

Edit -

As soon as the fight starts, this is what happens to all the opposing side:

http://youtu.be/oeFZXNDz7uA?t=1m26s

Note that Dr. Manhattan says he can change almost anything (anything but human nature). That's a much more qualified statement that Reed's ignorant statement regarding Surfer. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're committing the no-limits fallacy (by claiming Surfer has immunity to Manhattan's vaporizing ability) and violating the MvF Golden Rule because that resistance was not seen on screen. You're faultily assuming they magically posses some sort of magical shield against an atomizer when nothing seen on screen demonstrates that.

You already knew that was my argument so I am not sure why you would make a point that I have already destroyed.

Stupid statement. A bullet can kill a professional boxer but it does not deliver anymore inertia than a slap to the face while a professional boxer can punch someone so hard in the face that it breaks facial bones. Atomizing someone will certainly kill them no matter how much power they have.

Here's the problem with your stupid (again) argument is:
1. You must prove that the surfer has immunity to Manhattan's atomizing ability.
2. #1 wasn't seen on-screen and therefore, cannot be proven, so your argument fails from the onset.
3. Even if they were equal in their ability to manipulate matter (they are not...not even close), Manhattan can reform himself and Surfer cannot.

Again, irrelevant. That literally does nothing at all to support Surfer's case. Surfer could have blown up 500,000,000 galaxies at once and that still would not matter because he's made of matter, is mortal, and has no immunity to Manhattan's abilities. See point #3, again. 🙂

Seriously, I know you are you but what am I?

No it's not. 😐

And even if they were extremely similar, please refer to #3. 🙂

Which would be very dumb, hard-headed, stupid, and childish of you. But that's just part for the course with you, always. 😉

But, who cares, right? You got to argue with people on the internet and think you're incorrectly right, yet again? WHEEEE!

Edit - You might want to town down the insults. I'm reporting your posts. You may not be aware that there is a difference between calling a point dumb and calling a person dumb.

I have yet to see one valid argument showing that Dr. Manhattan can vaporized any of his components here.

'Dr. Manhattan can manipulate matter' seems to be the great argument for Dr. Manhattan supporters.

Originally posted by Kotor3
'Dr. Manhattan can manipulate matter' seems to be the great argument for Dr. Manhattan supporters.

A better quote, which is taken directly from the screen, is "I can chance almost anything...except for human nature."]

Any fool can destroy life but it takes a god to create life.

Originally posted by dadudemon
A better quote, which is taken directly from the screen, is "I can chance almost anything...except for human nature."]

Any fool can destroy life but it takes a god to create life.

Keyword, “almost”.

Ok, so Manhattan starts to manipulate their matter. How will he complete the process on –
• Thor if his hammer can bring him back to life as show in the movie? Can Manhattan destroy Thor’s hammer?
• On Superman who speed has been shown with the ability to create a rift in space and time. (Which should have rip his body apart particle by particle, yet it did not)?
• On Surfer who can already manipulate particles in his own body?

My point is he will try but they will attack him stopping any process or hope he has of completing that process.

If you say he can manipulate their particles in a flash then the burden of proof is on you to prove so.

I am saying that he cannot do so in a flash as supported by my examples above and if he tried he would be stop from completing the process.

Also thank you for all the quotes and no examples. I can produce quotes also for the other characters. Some examples to support your argument would be nice.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Also thank you for all the quotes and no examples. I can produce quotes also for the other characters. Some examples to support your argument would be nice.

No problem! He left earth to go do God-stuff: create life. Not something Surfer could do. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
No problem! He left earth to go do God-stuff: create life. Not something Surfer could do. 🙂

Superman, Thor, and Surfer have all fought Godlike beings more powerful than them. In the movies they have also fought extremely powerful beings. Manhattan has not.

So if you want to use quotes since you have no examples then feel free. Your argument holds no weight. I can see if you and some others made Manhattan battle these other characters but wiping them out in a flash is ridiculous.

The argument that they can’t hurt him is much better than your non-supported vaporizing argument.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Every last one of your arguments has already been destroyed and contradicted. Just re-read my posts for your replies. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
You may not be aware that there is a difference between calling a point dumb and calling a person dumb.

Originally posted by dadudemon
A better quote, which is taken directly from the screen, is "I can chance almost anything...except for human nature."]

Any fool can destroy life but it takes a god to create life.

Surfer on the other hand revived a dead superhuman. Manhattan couldn't even cure Janey Slater of her cancer. Instead he chose to hide and sulk on Mars like an overgrown blue baby.

Some godlike uberness that is, which gets your dick wet.

Originally posted by Epicurus
He never created any life. 😂

Awww. How sad for you that you missed the part where that's what he does at the end of the movie. 🙁

Originally posted by Epicurus
Surfer on the other hand revived a dead superhuman. Manhattan couldn't even cure Janey Slater of her cancer. Instead he chose to hide and sulk on Mars like an overgrown blue baby.

Some godlike uberness that is, which gets your dick wet.

It's also very sad that you missed some character development. Curing her cancer was well within his power: it would have been child's play. Why do you think he chose to not cure her cancer and, instead, abandoned the earth?

Keep in mind that he is almost omniscient in ability (meaning, he knows he didn't cause her cancer and he knew she was to get cancer).

If you cannot even understand the simple points of the movie, you cannot debate them. You must walk before you can run.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I have yet to see one valid argument showing that Dr. Manhattan can vaporized any of his components here.

'Dr. Manhattan can manipulate matter' seems to be the great argument for Dr. Manhattan supporters.

There is no logical reason to think otherwise , science tells us that someone who can control sub atomic particles is the king of matter , Superman is no different than a regular man when it comes to being made of matter !

But Surfer manipulates matter and energy as well.

Originally posted by DrDeadpool
There is no logical reason to think otherwise , science tells us that someone who can control sub atomic particles is the king of matter , Superman is no different than a regular man when it comes to being made of matter !

How wrong you are!

So if I can bend metal I can bend all types of metal?
I can bend it in the same amount of time no matter what type of metal it is?

This is basically your argument, which scientifically is incorrect. Matter makes up different types of components with different mass and qualities.

So Superman, with his body made of matter is able to create a rift in space and time (a wormhole or something of the sought). Whatever vaporization, disintegration, or particle manipulation that would cause his body stays intact.

Once again my argument is not that Manhattan cannot manipulate Superman’s particles but definitely not in a flash like you and others are trying to argue. Not in enough time to stop Superman from attacking him. He would never complete the process.