This is me, Nephthys and SW Legend:
Originally posted by ILS
okEr, I guess. Vindican is featless and Malgus only has an accolade, albeit a pretty good one. The Morgukai have decent dueling feats, better than what Vindican has going for him and more than an accolade can provide. What makes it especially impressive is that Vos had been fighting for hours prior, survived a ship crash, was stabbed through the torso by numerous shuriken, and was using a lightsaber form (Ataru) which is poor against multiple opponents, and still managed to hold his own, and end up killing one of them.
Vindican effortlessly tanked a rocket (fired at him by Jace Malcom) and gave Darach decent challenge. His lightning casts overwhelmed both Malgus and Satele Shan when they found themselves on the receiving end of such power. Darach had to perform incredibly sophisticated maneuverers to counter his lightning and outduel him,
Originally posted by ILS
okEr, I guess. Vindican is featless and Malgus only has an accolade, albeit a pretty good one. The Morgukai have decent dueling feats, better than what Vindican has going for him and more than an accolade can provide. What makes it especially impressive is that Vos had been fighting for hours prior, survived a ship crash, was stabbed through the torso by numerous shuriken, and was using a lightsaber form (Ataru) which is poor against multiple opponents, and still managed to hold his own, and end up killing one of them.
Vindican effortlessly tanked a rocket (fired at him by Jace Malcom) and gave Darach decent challenge. His lightning overwhelmed both Malgus and Satele Shan when they found themselves on its receiving end. Darach had to perform incredibly sophisticated maneuverers to deflect his lightning and outduel him, the battle was otherwise a stalemate.
Vindican was a proper Sith Lord, not some chump whom you would dismiss as nothing or an amateur.
And what do you mean by "Malgus only has an accolade"? You think that this statement is meaningless? You conveniently forgot to consider the fact that Malgus actually killed Darach.
Malgus's victory over Darach adds to the credibility of his accolade or reputation of being one of the greatest warriors of the Empire even during his younger days.
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As for the Vos, what do you mean by Vos had been fighting for hours prior to his confrontation with Morgukai? You trying to assert that Vos was pulling off Revan on the Star Forge against hordes of Sith forces? His combat experience was that taxing? Utter nonsense.
As I pointed out before, Vos's performance against Morgukai is a non-factor in this thread.
Originally posted by ILS
You keep throwing around your own estimations of how good characters are in relation to what "a reasonably competent Jedi" or a "master Jedi" could do. I don't really care for this.Of course the real champions of the Jedi would trash the Morgukai. You're missing the point - Vos held his own against them under very poor circumstances, and to boot, Darach couldn't be considered one of the best duelists around either.
Vindican would slaughter Vos and many Jedi. The opponent needs to be as powerful, skilled and well-armed as Darach to outcompete him.
Darach's martial abilities:-
Darach was actually the Jedi Order's battlemaster. He performed incredibly sophisticated maneuvers during his dueling efforts to cope with two Sith Lords during combat, managed to impale one and overwhelm the other for a while, one of the greatest warriors of the Empire.
Darach's dueling feats include masterful use of double-bladed lightsaber along with a normal lightsaber with great precision and speed. The technical skill required to pull of this magnitude of sophistication and finesse is insane and rarely duplicated in the entirety of mythos.
It is (officially) difficult to use a double-bladed lightsaber in single combat in masterful ways. Now try to imagine the difficulty of using a double-bladed lightsaber along with another in masterful ways. Darach literally redefined dueling arts.
You think that Vos and Kolar hold a candle to Darach's mastery in lightsaber combat? Not even close. In-fact, majority doesn't.
Darach's raw power:-
Darach lifted and hurled a multi-tonned Starship component like a missile in the air towards an opponent. He also send a Sith Lord packing across the hall with a single blast of power.
Neither Vos and nor Kolar have demonstrated this level of raw power.
So Morgukai are now a match for a Sith Lord because they forced a mediocre Jedi Master to flee? The same Jedi whom Count Dooku literally stomped in a confrontation.Correct.
Vindican effortlessly tanked a rocket (fired at him by Jace Malcom) and gave Darach decent challenge. His lightning overwhelmed both Malgus and Satele Shan when they found themselves on its receiving end. Darach had to perform incredibly sophisticated maneuverers to deflect his lightning and outduel him, the battle was otherwise a stalemate.Let's see.. deflection is irrelevant, lightning is irrelevant, giving Darach a decent fight doesn't help Darach in the feats department, and.. Darach isn't special despite his supreme sophistication. That covers that.
Vindican was a proper Sith Lord, not some chump whom you would dismiss as nothing or an amateur.Straw man.
And what do you mean by "Malgus only has an accolade"? You think that this statement is meaningless? You conveniently forgot to consider the fact that Malgus actually killed Darach.I meant what I said. And another straw man - I didn't say it was meaningless. And I "conveniently" didn't mention it because the only reason Malgus is being mentioned is to discuss Darach's skill - not Malgus'. You keep bringing up irrelevant points about other characters. Try focusing on the thread.Malgus's victory over Darach adds to the credibility of his accolade or reputation of being one of the greatest warriors of the Empire even during his younger days.
As for the Vos, what do you mean by Vos had been fighting for hours prior to his confrontation with Morgukai? You trying to assert that Vos was pulling off Revan on the Star Forge against hordes of Sith forces? His combat experience was that taxing? Utter nonsense.Once again, I mean what I said. And again, irrelevant point about irrelevant characters.As I pointed out before, Vos's performance against Morgukai is a non-factor in this thread.
It's not a non-factor just because your argument is benefited from it being so.
I am trying to knock sense into you. You are exaggerating Vos and his accomplishments with extremely lame arguments and extreme subjectivity.Yeah.....
Darach's martial abilities:-I was aware of this. Doesn't counter my argument.Darach was actually the Jedi Order's battlemaster. He performed incredibly sophisticated maneuvers during his dueling efforts to cope with two Sith Lords during combat, managed to impale one and overwhelm the other for a while, one of the greatest warriors of the Empire.
Darach's dueling feats include masterful use of double-bladed lightsaber along with a normal lightsaber with great precision and speed. The technical skill required to pull of this magnitude of sophistication and finesse is insane and rarely duplicated in the entirety of mythos....great. Although what I find funny is my apparent use of "lame arguments and extreme subjectivity", despite you presuming the use of a lightsaber and saberstaff at the same time elevates Darach as high as you think it does.
It is (officially) difficult to use a double-bladed lightsaber in single combat in masterful ways. Now try to imagine the difficulty of using a double-bladed lightsaber along with another in masterful ways. Darach literally redefined dueling arts.Yeah.... being able to use a lightsaber/staff combo elevates Darach into the upper echelons of duelists in the mythos. Definitely.You think that Vos and Kolar hold a candle to Darach's mastery in lightsaber combat? Not even close. In-fact, majority doesn't.
Darach's raw power:-Well, Vos has decent power showings like levitating a fairly large boulder over a far distance for a long time, even after being stabbed, and using protection/barrier to survive a ship crash and explosion, but I agree Darach's TK is likely above his. Kolar's use of the Force is pretty basic and unexplored. IMO though, Kolar will out-duel Darach before being hit by any multi-tonned starship components.Darach lifted and hurled a multi-tonned Starship component like a missile in the air towards an opponent. He also send a Sith Lord packing across the hall with a single blast of power.
Neither Vos and nor Kolar have demonstrated this level of raw power.