Exar Kun and Ulic Qel Droma vs Count Dooku and Asajj Ventress

Started by Lord Stark6 pages
Originally posted by Nephthys
I would imagine that it has an upper limit, true. But this is a Sith Artifact, the same things that can drain entire worlds, repel any attack, blow up stars or create illusionary armies.

I suppose. In Exar's hands it has no such showings though.


Ulic has more than one good feat. 😬

Dooku didn't duel Yoda to a standstill, wtf are you smoking? 😬

You've stated his good saber feats; fighting Sylvar while cut off from the force and fighting Exar. Am I mistaken? Because that's all you've cited.

Are you serious?
"Yoda's green blade caught the blow, holding the red lightsaber at bay, locking the two in a contest of strength, physical and of the Force."

That's literally a stand still.


Ulic's best feat is dueling Sylvar while cut off from the Force, old, out of practice and injured imo.

Sylvar isn't even a Jedi Master.


He's a centuries old legendary weapons master and duelist, was the greatest warrior of his species who were renowned as warriors, has was incredibly fast and agile due to his 6 powerful "legs", he could shatter stone with his quarterstaff and had enough skill to find Kun's precise balance point and humble him in the midst of his assualt.

Oppo Rancisis- Centuries old member of the Jedi Council, strong and agile due to his multiple legs and tail. Defeated the Blood Monarch of Thisspias while unarmed. Fends off several Anzati assassins, is a master of Battle Meditation similar to Vodo. Sora Bulq preferred to use subterfuge rather than face him in open combat. And yet if Sora Bulq killed him in 1v1 I wouldn't consider that a feat putting him on Dooku's level.


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Nah.


Nox didn't do it via Force Walk. Voss are also able to interact with the spiritual plane via the Force. There are many other examples I'm sure. Like Brand binding Sidious' soul to his as he's dying or the padawans attacking Kun with Wall of Light or whatever happened.

Nox didn't bind those souls to him via Force Walk? 😬
The Voss have a unique connection with the Force...Brand doing what? Didn't you already concede that he's not soul ****ing Dooku?


Sidious didn't kill Windu with lightning, he shoved him through a window and Vader wasn't defending himself properly and was injured and weakened.

With force lightning. He still killed Vader with a short burst when Galen Marek failed to in a more concentrated effort.


Anyway, it doesn't freaking matter. My logic still stands. An attack that's shown to be powerful enough will affect powerful Jedi regardless of how many times it's been used in combat or against who.

No reason why Dooku couldn't deflect or dodge it.


They were shown blocking blast bolts with their bare hands, something much rarer and harder to do than blocking lightning. At the least they could just use that technique. And that quote is a serious exaggeration. Loads of Jedi can do it, even padawans or relatively untrained Jedi or Sith.

I disagree that its more difficult than blocking lightning. An exaggeration because you say so? Please even late in the Barsen'thor's story he's struggling to counter Force Lightning.


The guy with eyes? Who can see that Dooku's not using Force Lightning while its visible or active?

The lightning clearly comes from the sky if you've watched the entire video. Also the beam of light that descends is the same shown during gameplay when Dooku uses lightning. Its obviously his 😬


If you want I can post both videos and we can compare. I'm confident I'm right.

We've already done this. Both me and Sidious66 agreed Dooku's were larger. 😬


That was the explosion in AOTC. 😬

It barely chipped the wall.

It destroyed a pipe are you serious?

Originally posted by Lord Stark
You've stated his good saber feats; fighting Sylvar while cut off from the force and fighting Exar. Am I mistaken? Because that's all you've cited.

Are you serious?
"Yoda's green blade caught the blow, holding the red lightsaber at bay, locking the two in a contest of strength, physical and of the Force."

That's literally a stand still.

He also blitzed Warb Null. And did this:

Lolwut? Are you serious? Yoda engaging a saberlock is not Dooku fighting him to a standstill. And if it is its utterly not as impressive as you made it sound. You might as well say Maul fought Sidious to a standstill, despite Sidious being his obvious superior.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Sylvar isn't even a Jedi Master.

Neither was the Hero of Tython. Or countless other powerful Jedi Knights.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Oppo Rancisis- Centuries old member of the Jedi Council, strong and agile due to his multiple legs and tail. Defeated the Blood Monarch of Thisspias while unarmed. Fends off several Anzati assassins, is a master of Battle Meditation similar to Vodo. Sora Bulq preferred to use subterfuge rather than face him in open combat. And yet if Sora Bulq killed him in 1v1 I wouldn't consider that a feat putting him on Dooku's level.

And I would agree with you. If he defeated him when he was an apprentice though....

Also that guy doesn't sound equal to Vodo.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Nox didn't bind those souls to him via Force Walk? 😬
The Voss have a unique connection with the Force...Brand doing what? Didn't you already concede that he's not soul ****ing Dooku?

That's not what I'm talking about. Nox affects ghosts in other ways through the campaign.

You know, in Dark Empire when he drags Sidious' soul into the abyss or whatever.

No, I conceded that soul ripping doesn't have anything to do with the physical world. I still think Kun could soul rip Dooku.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
With force lightning. He still killed Vader with a short burst when Galen Marek failed to in a more concentrated effort.

But the Force Lightning didn't kill him. The fall did. And as I recall it didn't kill Vader either, just damaged his life support.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
No reason why Dooku couldn't deflect or dodge it.

Dooku wouldn't deflect it easily and couldn't keep that up for long, while Kun will be spamming them freely. As for dodging, its a large beam.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
I disagree that its more difficult than blocking lightning. An exaggeration because you say so? Please even late in the Barsen'thor's story he's struggling to counter Force Lightning.

Oh please, practically any Jedi can block lightning with a lightsaber. 🙄 AotC Kenobi blcoks Dooku's lightning with laughable ease, which should show you how weak Dooku's lightning really is. Blocking blaster bolts with your hand is far more difficult.

The Barsen'thor casually blocks lightning halfway through the game actually. It's just that the Emperor's Children are powerful.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
The lightning clearly comes from the sky if you've watched the entire video. Also the beam of light that descends is the same shown during gameplay when Dooku uses lightning. Its obviously his 😬

What the hell are you even saying? The lightning comes from the sky? So it's not his, good to know. 😬

Originally posted by Lord Stark
We've already done this. Both me and Sidious66 agreed Dooku's were larger. 😬

Yeah, because you both want it to be. 😬

YouTube video

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How can you say Dooku's was larger? It's smaller. Look at the size of it compared to the width of the lightning bolts, which can clearly be seen to be about as big as Yoda's finger. Now look at Nox's feat where the explosion is vastly larger than the actual bolt of lightning.

Nox's is superior or at least equal, and you can see fragments flying away as well.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
It destroyed a pipe are you serious?

Yes, because I just went through it frame by frame and theres no pipe. Stop making shit up to make Dooku better. 😬