Kenobi isn't one shotting Malgus or beating him. He struggled like hell against Grievous in ROTS, and even with as good as his defense is due to his mastery of Soresu. All Malgus has to do is Force wave him and he goes flying. Kenobi's lack of force defense is a death sentence against Malgus, and in terms of sabers Malgus can keep him on the defensive and then kill him with his force abilities. I'd like to know where Kenobi is better in any way, other than winning a match that was necessary due to PIS or the necessity of the plot.
Deceived Malgus still defeats Kenobi
1. He handily defeated Grevious in ROTS, the only thing he really struggled with was the 20 strikes per second.
2. Malgus isn't the type of person to immediately go and overwhelm someone with the force. I didn't see Zallow get TK raped did you? Except for that one force push of course, which was when Zallow was in mid-air, and he still got right back up.
3. In pure sabers Malgus as of Deceived is not quite as good as kenobi, and he rarely uses TK to utterly overwhelm a strong opponent. He might get a good push in like against Zallow, but it's hardly an unbeatable trump card.
4. Writing off Kenobi's best wins as PIS is stupid. You can do that for alot of other characters, y'know.
Deceived Malgus vs. Kenobi is still a close fight.
Unless Savage's TK feats are better, Kenobi has gone flying to Maul and Savage and been choked out by Ventress. If Deceived Malgus pushes him, he's airborne based on his past experience with other darkside users. He has no force defense at all, and secondly, Malgus just has to put pressure on him with sabers and that's it. Even if he didn't have him matched in sabers (which is false), he'd just have to keep him pressured enough to kill him with a basic force attack.
2. Malgus isn't the type of person to immediately go and overwhelm someone with the force. I didn't see Zallow get TK raped did you? Except for that one force push of course, which was when Zallow was in mid-air, and he still got right back up.
Malgus was utilizing telekinesis multiple times in the temple fight. He sent Jedi flying, ragdolled them, and brought down pillars crushing them. To say he wouldn't use TK against Kenobi is not factual based on the circumstances of the fight he had prior to Zallow, and based on his other fights we've seen him in.
Writing off Kenobi's best wins as PIS is stupid. You can do that for alot of other characters, y'know.
Yeah except a Padwan can defeat the "most skilled Sith" in history, when he's in a pit, and Maul just gloats and dances around because Kenobi had him beat through skill, right? Lol. His defeat of Anakin was necessary to put him in the suit, he knew Anakin's style well, and he was fighting him emotionally compromised. Anakin's feats put him well above Kenobi.
1. He handily defeated Grevious in ROTS, the only thing he really struggled with was the 20 strikes per second.
The novelization speed doesn't go well with the speed Grievous had in TCW which had him so slow even Ashoka could defend against him. Grievous's abilities are inconsistent and the fact Kenobi could beat another weak version of him is hardly impressive.
Originally posted by carthage
The novelization speed doesn't go well with the speed Grievous had in TCW which had him so slow even Ashoka could defend against him. Grievous's abilities are inconsistent and the fact Kenobi could beat another weak version of him is hardly impressive.
1. Grevious was kind of toying with ahsoka....
2. I was mostly referring to his consistent stalemating of Maul in TCW.
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Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Random mook jedi don't constitute opponents like Zallow. Which is what I was referencing.
4. You're not talking about rage mode savage, are you? The same Savage who also choked out Dooku and Ventress simultaneously? In the same occurence that Obi Wan was being choked out by Ventress, Anakin was being choked out. Unless you think Ventress>Dooku, this hardly makes kenobi shitty.
5. Are you implying that defeating Ven Zallow in a good/close fight=stalemating Darth Maul? It really doesn't. Obi Wan's TK feats are just as, if not better than, Zallow's, and Zallow wasn't TK stomped.
Originally posted by carthage
They do when random mook Jedi have about the same force defense as Zallow and Kenobi.
lol.
The broader point that Neph and I make is that he has no force defense to speak of. It doesn't matter whether it's from Maul, Savage, Ventress, or Dooku as all of those respective have taken out Kenobi with their force powers. Also most of Kenobi's fights are stalemates which hardly say anything about Kenobi's skill to win conclusively. I never said he was a shitty fighter, just that in an all out match with Malgus he's going to lose due to his crippling weakness of lack of force defense other than weakness in sabers.
Of course Kenobi has better feats than Zallow, he had a cartoon series, comic books, and three full lengths films to showcase how he can win due to plot relevance, stalemate the same people he's fought 50,000 times before to demonstrate his "abilities".
I'm not sure where you're getting I said he was a shitty fighter, he's one of the best of the order. He just beat a weaker version of an inconsistently depicted fighter, do you want me to consider that a stellar feat? I also contest the fact that he defeated TPM Maul and Anakin ROTS out of skill, he didn't. I never questioned his abilities as a duelist at large.
Let's look at the people who've ragdolled Kenobi:
Dooku: well, he's ****ing Dooku. He's better than Deceived Malgus in the force.
TCW Maul: This is probably the most difficult one. Deceived Malgus might be TCW Maul's equal in the force, however it doesn't change the fact that Malgus wasn't capable of utterly overwhelming Zallow with the force, who as far as i'm concerned isn't better than Kenobi in any way.
Savage: Well, this was rage mode Savage, who choked out dooku and ventress at the same time. Kenobi isnt bad for being ragdolled here.
Ventress: She was choking out kenobi and anakin simultaneously, something even dooku hasn't done. kenobi isn't bad for being choked out here.
Deceived Malgus is every bit the equal to Dooku and Maul in the Force and his lightning is superior. Malgus tossed around Satele Shan and Aryn Leneer in combat, so he'll obviously do the same to Obi-Wan. This isn't to say Malgus will ragdoll him off the bat (maybe), but he will beat Obi-Wan with lightning or TK.
Pointing out that Zallow is lesser than Kenobi is stupid because Zallow's only showing is in his battle against Malgus, so he can't be established to be equal to or weaker than Kenobi based on showings. He showed himself near equal to Malgus, who has the feats to prove he's above Kenobi. By that regard, so is Zallow. Though Malgus never utilised lightning against him so that might have changed things. It's his best attribute imo.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Deceived Malgus is every bit the equal to Dooku and Maul in the Force and his lightning is superior. Malgus tossed around Satele Shan and Aryn Leneer in combat, so he'll obviously do the same to Obi-Wan. This isn't to say Malgus will ragdoll him off the bat (maybe), but he will beat Obi-Wan with lightning or TK.Pointing out that Zallow is lesser than Kenobi is stupid because Zallow's only showing is in his battle against Malgus, so he can't be established to be equal to or weaker than Kenobi based on showings. He showed himself near equal to Malgus, who has the feats to prove he's above Kenobi. By that regard, so is Zallow. Though Malgus never utilised lightning against him so that might have changed things. It's his best attribute imo.
Hahaha no. Decieved Malgus doesn't surpass Dooku levels until TOR.