Obi Wan Kenobi vs Darth Malgus

Unsubstantiated? I'm taking stuff that Obsidian wanted in there and had in their game files. This stuff all happens as cutscenes, anyway. I'm not taking things like Atris blitzing Traya seriously.

TOR's different from KotOR II because there's no need to do fancy fluff in the KotOR games to make the bosses look powerful. For that matter, you can curb the bosses quite easily. TOR, as an MMO, needs to establish its bosses as a threat to entire parties - so they add all of this stupid game mechanic fluff in.

Double standard confirmed.

You might think that.

Anyways, I'm thinking that Malgus can take down Obi-Wan with the Force before Obi-Wan can win through sabers, now.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I don't count Malgus' Strike Team Choking. And that isn't necessary to make a case for him ragdolling Obi-Wan, tbh.

Not what I was referring to:

Not to mention:

I take it as him catching them off-guard, because there's no way he can actually do that with their defenses up and still lose.

You mean besides him doing it repeatedly in scripted in-game events? It's a feat of emdurance for them, just like not getting crushed by Revan's meteor shower.

When does he repeatedly bring them to their knees with Lightning?

Originally posted by carthage
She also choked them him out again while he was unharmed/with Anakin, but ok he obviously can't do it when that's not the only example. Kenobi's track record doesn't really support your statement, but ok.

Malgus obviously can't tool him where every other darksider can.

So while enraged, and in a media more inconsistent than Trump's campaign. Everyone chokes everyone in TCW, that means Malgus can just as easily hurl around Anakin since he got choked by Asajj.

Besides, Kenobi later improved considerably and he telekinetically manipulated Asajj in Dark Disciple prior to growing even more powerful, so clearly by RotS he should be notably above Ventress' paygrade.

Proof that Obi-Wan grew more powerful? I doubt very much that Obi-Wan ever grew notably more powerful than Ventress.

It's stated in LoE and just comparing him getting humiliated by Dooku in S6 to him actually giving the Count grief in RotS seems to imply a noticeable powergrowth.

Even assuming he didn't grow in power, he still managed to both trade blows with Asajj in TK pre-prime, and later pull her helplessly in Dark Disciple, IIRC.

So her choking him once out while enraged should speak very little on if Malgus should throw him around just cuz Dooku/Maul did it.

Wait? Actually giving him grief? Obi-Wan barely lasts 10 seconds in RotS, lol. He was humiliated even worse than ever.

Where is it stated in LoE? Do you have a quote? Or a quote for him TK'ing Ventress?

Malgus could easily choke Ventress, so it hardly matters. Malgus is miles superior to Kenobi with the Force.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Wait? Actually giving him grief? Obi-Wan barely lasts 10 seconds in RotS, lol. He was humiliated even worse than ever.

In a duel? Hardly.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Where is it stated in LoE? Do you have a quote? Or a quote for him TK'ing Ventress?

Not on hand, no. I'll try and find them.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus could easily choke Ventress, so it hardly matters. Malgus is miles superior to Kenobi with the Force.

No, not really.

Originally posted by AncientPower
You mean besides him doing it repeatedly in scripted in-game events? It's a feat of emdurance for them, just like not getting crushed by Revan's meteor shower.

Wait, are you actually implying that the strike team took those meteors head on instead of dodging? 😂

Originally posted by MythLord
So while enraged, and in a media more inconsistent than Trump's campaign. Everyone chokes everyone in TCW, that means Malgus can just as easily hurl around Anakin since he got choked by Asajj.

Besides, Kenobi later improved considerably and he telekinetically manipulated Asajj in Dark Disciple prior to growing even more powerful, so clearly by RotS he should be notably above Ventress' paygrade.

The fact being you haven't actually refuted that every darkside he faced has tooled him, and Malgus per feats and accolades is Ventress's superior in the force. Her best feats are destroying Battle droids and uprooting trees in DD, she didn't vastly increase in Dark Disciple, lol. Again do you have a quote for him becoming greater in ROTS?

Every Darksider he faced? Anakin on Mustafar hardly seems to be tooling him, and Asajj only ever did that with circumstances, Maul also did that only with circumstances all but once.

As per feats and accolades, Malgus should be superior to Asajj, but so is Kenobi so what's your point?

I'm referring to Kenobi's powergrowth.

Well, besides performing much better against the good Count in RotS than he did in Season 6, there's the fact that in LoE Anakin notes he and Kenobi both grew stronger:

"All that's changed!" Anakin said, becoming angrier as he spoke. "I'm stronger than I was. You're stronger. Together, we can defeat any Sith."

Anakin was in a weakened state in ROTS, he was struggling between Padme and his friendship with Kenobi he was in no position to do anything. The quote you selected is Anakin's opinion, not based on anything from the end of TCW up to ROTS in actual accolades/feats. Lol what? Dooku ragdolled him even with ease in ROTS ht and chucked him into the side like nothing.

Originally posted by carthage
Anakin was in a weakened state in ROTS, he was struggling between Padme and his friendship with Kenobi he was in no position to do anything. The quote you selected is Anakin's opinion, not based on anything from the end of TCW up to ROTS in actual accolades/feats. Lol what? Dooku ragdolled him even with ease in ROTS ht and chucked him into the side like nothing.

And? That Anakin, while also on a geyser of Light Side energy that would obviously hinder a Dark Sider, casually collapses and throws around massive chunks of a statue.
Besides, padawan Anakin hurled a tank to hard it had the effect of a bomb on a small army of droids(noting this is a TCW-based novel, where most Force users are at their lowest), and I doubt anybody's going to argue Mustafar Lord Vader < padawan Anakin.

Plus, that's not the point I was making; my point was not every Dark Sider tools Kenobi, as you tried to pass off is the case.

Anakin has intimate familiarity with Obi-Wan, though. If anyone is to judge Kenobi's skill and power, it's him. Plus, the second half of his statement is true -- Skywalker did grow vastly in the last months of the Clone Wars. So why would the other be completely false?

I'm referring to how Kenobi's physical augmentation and dueling skill is suddenly comparable to the Count's, and how the RotS junior novelisation opens up the possibility that Kenobi, if he draws enough from the Force, can counter Dooku's choke. It's unknown if he'd succeed, but the fact that said possibility is even mentioned implies he isn't just going to be Dooku's puppet ala Quinlan Vos or Asajj Ventress.

The Jedi temple is actually a darkside nexus, not a lightside one.

The RotS novel outright says it's the greatest LS nexus in the galaxy, though.

The Jedi Temple was the greatest nexus of Force energy in the Republic; its ziggurat design focused the Force the way a lightsaber's gemstone focused its energy stream. With the thousands of Jedi and Padawans within it every day contemplating peace, seeking knowledge, and meditating on justice and surrender to the will of the Force, the Temple was a fountain of the light.

Originally posted by MythLord
The RotS novel outright says it's the greatest LS nexus in the galaxy, though.