Star Trek vs. Star Wars

Started by EmperorSidious234 pages

Originally posted by quanchi112
In what ways ? If someone rips a heart out can he sustain their lives ? Whose lives did he sustain and what were the circumstances ? You're quite slow.

That isn't proof. Again.

What shield has it ever bypassed without seeing someone on a viewing screen ? All they have to do is use the gens is device to wipe out star wars by the scores or a little red matter to create the singularity planet by planet.

Sidious himself says he could save others from death and that he could stop the ones from cared about from dying. Also to your ripping heart question. https://youtu.be/Y8MM6vex-2E only until it was crushed did the person die and also what does that prove.

Yes it is.

Again irrelevant as it has broken through shields before.

The force weilders win.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Sidious himself says he could save others from death and that he could stop the ones from cared about from dying. Also to your ripping heart question. https://youtu.be/Y8MM6vex-2E only until it was crushed did the person die and also what does that prove.

Yes it is.

Again irrelevant as it has broken through shields before.

The force weilders win.

The point is we don't know the context. You are very dense.m

He's a different being than a completely organic being like Obi. Lol. His heart wasn't ripped out either.

How is it irrelevant ? What force user just force choked someone they couldn't see aboard a ship ? Are you familiar with Star Wars ?

Based on ? Remember order 66. I sure do. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is we don't know the context. You are very dense.m

He's a different being than a completely organic being like Obi. Lol. His heart wasn't ripped out either.

How is it irrelevant ? What force user just force choked someone they couldn't see aboard a ship ? Are you familiar with Star Wars ?

Based on ? Remember order 66. I sure do. 😂

We know, we have a direct quote from the apprentice. You sir are stupid.

Hey you asked if you can take out a heart can you sustain life.

Uh Sidious,when he choked Dooku when they weren't on the same planet, and even choked two guards when he didn't have any sight of them.

Based on how they crush opponents in a variety of ways. Ragdoll khan and just kill him. Sidious will take less time as he can just choke or crush or shock Khan while yoda doesn't have any of those abilities he can just ragdoll him and throw him around until he is dead. Done and done. So in the individual categories, star are wins, then they have the Death Star and depending on what we are judging, all of Star Wars history even legends or just movies, someone's getting screwed and I have a feeling it's Star Trek.

Are you going to address my points?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
We know, we have a direct quote from the apprentice. You sir are stupid.

Hey you asked if you can take out a heart can you sustain life.

Uh Sidious,when he choked Dooku when they weren't on the same planet, and even choked two guards when he didn't have any sight of them.

Based on how they crush opponents in a variety of ways. Ragdoll khan and just kill him. Sidious will take less time as he can just choke or crush or shock Khan while yoda doesn't have any of those abilities he can just ragdoll him and throw him around until he is dead. Done and done. So in the individual categories, star are wins, then they have the Death Star and depending on what we are judging, all of Star Wars history even legends or just movies, someone's getting screwed and I have a feeling it's Star Trek.

You are bad at this.

The heart was not taken out. It was still right where it was. When was it taken out ? Watch the scene again.

Due to being visible to him via on screen. They can't force choke guys on ships they can't see. Why didn't Obi force choke Jango when in hot pursuit ? What's stopping Khan from firing first ?

Jango got off at least five shots against Kenobi and Windu. That's called evidence. Saying they can ragdoll someone of his caliber while ignoring the facts is just plain awful.

What stops the Genesis device from being used ?

Genesis would destroy anything in Star Wars. It's ridiculously powerful.

It's only weakness is that it needs a countdown.

Originally posted by playa1258
Genesis would destroy anything in Star Wars. It's ridiculously powerful.

It's only weakness is that it needs a countdown.

Emperor Sidious doesn't even watch Star Trek films and he will continue to spout ignorance and bias. Force wielded nonsense. Point and laugh.

Not only that the Q would laugh at the force.

Originally posted by playa1258
Not only that the Q would laugh at the force.
Yeah, I know. It isn't fair with the Q. Star Wars and the force can't handle the Q.

Q would do well in pretty much any universe.

Originally posted by playa1258
Q would do well in pretty much any universe.
Emperor Sidious doesn't know a thing about Star Trek. The fact he rambles on proves he's a biased troll.

Probably a disciple of Mike Wong who was arguing Q would lose to Han Solo and Chewbecca.

Originally posted by playa1258
Probably a disciple of Mike Wong who was arguing Q would lose to Han Solo and Chewbecca.
That can't be real.

I'm not joking. SD.net is a joke on the level of CBR and Spacebattles.

Force users over there are as powerful as CBR Surfer and CBR Gladiator.

It was Wong and a few others too.

Originally posted by playa1258
I'm not joking. SD.net is a joke on the level of CBR and Spacebattles.

I remember someone from that site once defending Mike's statements by saying Mike went to college and had two computers, thus he must be correct.

He has legions of fanatics. He will probably make a comeback when the new Star Wars film opens.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
UGH! I didn't expect this debate to crop up here... Normally Spacebattles and SV are the places to go for these kinds of debates for me...

Hmm, How can I put this....

[b]Intelligence

In terms of intelligence, I think it depends on a few things, if your talking about competence, well, overall, we have more to draw on from the ST side in an absolute sense. 6 major series and numerous movies... ST has had far more screen time. If going by pure NuTrek standards though, I think much of their success has come down to sheer luck, and, with the exemption of Spock and Spock Prime, there hasn't been much in terms of raw strategic or military planning.

SW, while it certainly has a more militaristic, war driven scenario, and had it's fair share of strategic competence/incompetence, much of the military planning was badly flawed. Hoth and Endor showed 2 sides to the Empire in particular, Hoth was a brilliant play, even though the Imps had all the cards. Meanwile, Endor turned out to be a royal flop, as the Emperor underestimated the Rebels and the Ewoks tremendously.

Overall, I can give the ST side more competency per person, while I cannot give them overall competence because of the sheer size difference between the two. Star Wars has an entire galaxy to draw upon, whereas, unless we include the Delta and Gamma Quadrants, which are primarily Borg and Dominion, SW simply has the huge numbers, and not all of them can be foolish.

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Power (note: clarification? I am going to assume this was meant to mean things like industry, development and such. Please correct me if you mean things like generator output or something else.)

Power is a different horse. As I said above, the SW side is simply too much to handle, their industrial base is ginormous, compared to the rather fractured Alpha and Beta Quadrant factions. Collaboration between these forces is often difficult, and, the one time we ever see any truly grandiose collaboration was the Dominion War, and even then, only a few major powers were involved. The Galactic Empire at it's peak, however, was able to produce fleets hundreds of thousands strong, and 2 Death Stars in a very short amount of time. The industrial base, resource base, production base and lifeform resources is simply too immense to deal with.

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Weaponry

This may be the crux, as it seems to be what many are openly debating right now. Now, Standard armaments I believe fall to the pen of Star Wars. They are fast, powerful, and there are simply more of them, wether it be per ship, or in terms of fleet sizes.

However, There are many exotic, and exceedingly rare technologies, especially by those crafty Feddies, many of which are easily comparable to some of the best Superweapons in SW Lore. Hell, the most fearsome weapon in the SW Arsenal, the Sun Crusher (yes, EU, I know) can be replicated by ST with the right tools, parts, and circumstances.

That being said, they NOT part of the ST common arsenal. Red matter is incredibly rare, and from what Spock described, exceedingly dangerous and difficult to weaponise. Hell, it wasn't intended to BE a weapon originally. Many of Star Trek's exotic weapons are like this, the genesis Device for example, was a unique device, it was never again used, and the data for it is gone. *Shrugs*.

So, Standard armaments ala like the Dominion War sees the SW Side to winning to superior numbers and firepower, whereas if it came to a Superweapons en-masse, the ST Wins for the same reason.

Also, the presence of Q tips a Universe vs Universe fight horribly in Trek's favour. Just saying. [/B]

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

You should read my post on the last page re; industrial output.

Originally posted by playa1258
I'm not joking. SD.net is a joke on the level of CBR and Spacebattles.

Force users over there are as powerful as CBR Surfer and CBR Gladiator.

It was Wong and a few others too.

Is this place currently still in existence ? They sound about as moronic as emperor Sidious so maybe his troll ass is from there. This Wong sounds like the leader of the retarded Star Wars fanboys.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are bad at this.

The heart was not taken out. It was still right where it was. When was it taken out ? Watch the scene again.

Due to being visible to him via on screen. They can't force choke guys on ships they can't see. Why didn't Obi force choke Jango when in hot pursuit ? What's stopping Khan from firing first ?

Jango got off at least five shots against Kenobi and Windu. That's called evidence. Saying they can ragdoll someone of his caliber while ignoring the facts is just plain awful.

What stops the Genesis device from being used ?

Yes you are.

Well Sidious was also able to choke people he couldn't see. Because obi doesn't have that ability stupid. If he had don't up you think he would have used it on someone such as ventress or Dooku or Anakin come one man I understand your bad at this but learn. Your Star Wars. The fact that the force weilders can do stuff with their mind and can seriously just ragdoll him or so much more.

Again that is almost irrelevant as no offensive force powers were used were there. That's called counter evidence. Well since they never used their force abilities kinda hard to say what they can and can't do since we don't see it. Anyone can because unlike Jedi who still ragdolled Jango has no defense to force attacks sos he can get shocked choked ragdolled if that force weilder so chooses.

I have just don't research on the genesis device. From what I've read it destructive powers is similar to that of the Death Star with the capability to blow up a planet and help remake it/ make it fit for colonization. But for it work has to hit the target, and well force weilder could first off capture it before it hits it's target or possibly stop it or flat out blow it up before it hits it's target.