NuTrek teleporting is disrupted by shields. their weaponry is also laughably inferior. they lose. period.
even nero's mining vessel would be raped viciously by just a handful of star destroyers. overall star trek only wins via tactics or infestation/spamming in the case of the borg.
as far as brute force goes, emporer palpatine in his death star gorilla-pimps NuKhan's whole crew.
Originally posted by -Pr-The Borg can assimilate and add their numbers to their own.
I never said anything in the Trek universe can wipe out planets.There are things that can, but they're only in the shows, so not usable.
I'm not arguing that Star Wars would lose to nuverse. They wouldn't. They'd beat the primary trek-verse too with these stips. Just want to avoid lowballing etc.
they would be, if the numbers were at all equal. Star Wars had massive fleets shown in the movies, both of fighters and capital ships.
Trek, even including the fleet from First Contact, can't match those numbers. Not to mention the hard limit on transports and how many people they can move at a time.
The massive ships IMO aren't as impressive as Narada, Enterprise, Borg Cube, or the Vengeance.
They only need to implement skilled combatants or to use red matter. Red matter really tips the scales.
Originally posted by focus4chumpsAre you kidding me ? Red matter, Khan's cannon, Vengrance, etc.
NuTrek teleporting is disrupted by shields. their weaponry is also laughably inferior. they lose. period.even nero's mining vessel would be raped viciously by just a handful of star destroyers. overall star trek only wins via tactics or infestation/spamming in the case of the borg.
as far as brute force goes, emporer palpatine in his death star gorilla-pimps NuKhan's whole crew.
Based on ? Narada isn't out there by itself all alone. Even by itself it was crushing the Klingon, Starfleet ships, etc. In this scenario it is all one well organized machine.
Are you kidding me ? Khan by himself did far more than any Star Wars character and he isn't alone this time. Khan would find his way onto the Death Star and use it against the empire.
Palpatine would want no part of Khan. He'd break his geriatric skull.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Borg can assimilate and add their numbers to their own.The massive ships IMO aren't as impressive as Narada, Enterprise, Borg Cube, or the Vengeance.
They only need to implement skilled combatants or to use red matter. Red matter really tips the scales.
Yes, they can. In fact, the Borg are the one thing that gives the Trek side a chance at victory, imo.
Disagree for the most part.
Disagree also. It could take down the Death Star, sure, but unless they're going to launch it in to an actual sun, then I don't see it really tipping the scales. A whole tank of it didn't even create a black hole big enough to keep the Enterprise trapped, and it's an incredibly slow firing weapon, only really useful on stationary targets.
Originally posted by -Pr-Red matter alone takes down the Death Star. The enterprise can move very quickly can the Death Star ?
Yes, they can. In fact, the Borg are the one thing that gives the Trek side a chance at victory, imo.Disagree for the most part.
Disagree also. It could take down the Death Star, sure, but unless they're going to launch it in to an actual sun, then I don't see it really tipping the scales. A whole tank of it didn't even create a black hole big enough to keep the Enterprise trapped, and it's an incredibly slow firing weapon, only really useful on stationary targets.
Originally posted by -Pr-You kind of agreed the Borg tipped the scales but then said they still lose. Red matter negates both Death Stars. The ships from Star Trek are far more impressive than the ships from Star Wars.
How is that question at all relevant to what I said? Or are you agreeing with me?
Originally posted by quanchi112
You kind of agreed the Borg tipped the scales but then said they still lose. Red matter negates both Death Stars. The ships from Star Trek are far more impressive than the ships from Star Wars.
I believe that if Trek wins, it will be because of the Borg doing 90% of the heavy lifting.
Red Matter is great for the death stars, but it won't help much against the hundreds, if not thousands of ships on the Star Wars side.
Individually, maybe, but not to the extent that it would really make a difference in most cases.
Though I suppose the Enterprises D and E could lend the NuTrek some tech to augment their shields and weapons, if they have the time. Not that it would make much difference, though.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
does it count if the weapon doesn't blow up the planet, but rearranges all matter?if so, the genesis device that RealKhan detonated.
Forgot about that.
If they're willing to go all suicidal and drop that in the middle of the Star Wars forces, it will take a large chunk of them out, sure.
Originally posted by -Pr-Forgot about that.
If they're willing to go all suicidal and drop that in the middle of the Star Wars forces, it will take a large chunk of them out, sure.
they could beam it at as far a distance as they can and warp the hell out of there. star wars ships seem to need more time plotting trajectories whereas picard is all "getusoutofherewarpnine" and *BAM* they're gone.
the radius of that genesis blast was nothing to **** with. even when the enterprise was in warp you see the blast radius seem to chase them. whatever fleet they attacked would be decimated.
Originally posted by -Pr-Death Stars and planets.
I believe that if Trek wins, it will be because of the Borg doing 90% of the heavy lifting.Red Matter is great for the death stars, but it won't help much against the hundreds, if not thousands of ships on the Star Wars side.
Individually, maybe, but not to the extent that it would really make a difference in most cases.
Though I suppose the Enterprises D and E could lend the NuTrek some tech to augment their shields and weapons, if they have the time. Not that it would make much difference, though.
Forgot about that.
If they're willing to go all suicidal and drop that in the middle of the Star Wars forces, it will take a large chunk of them out, sure.
I see most Star Wars ships as fodder compared to Trek ships. Progression is a wonderful thing.
I get that Palpatine played both sides to further his own ends but the droid army was still a worthy opponent. To me they were always numerous but fodder. In the trek universe they'd annihilate the Droid army and with the Borg would assimilate and add them to their own.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialThis is what Robbie argues most of the time but he likes trek more so he will ignore this altogether here. He Nicely done. You've exposed him.
Without the dark side of the force clouding the jedi's vision, they would have plenty of time from vision and pre cog to see the strategies and plans of the NuVerse.Darth Maul alone could solo all the borg with his eyes closed.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Without the dark side of the force clouding the jedi's vision, the would have plenty of time from vision and pre cog to see the strategies and plans of the NuVerse.Darth Maul alone could solo all the borg with his eyes closed.
ignoring that the borg have spam numbers and hack the population of whole planets. stop emulating quan.
also, again, jedi cant read a computer's mind. the borg are all drones, with exception to the queen. they don't think or plan. they have orders transmitted to them and they comply instantly since they have no will and thus zero hesitation and zero emotion.
AND jedi can't sense someones plans through the force, so don't know where the hell you came up with that.
Originally posted by StealthRangerThat isn't its best feat but it sure beats the hell out of your ridiculous country busting sass.
>implying planet busting or above is anything big in Star WarsSure, whatever
Red matter as said before is slow to utilize and not mass producable
It isn't that slow at all. They took out Vulcan very quickly.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
ignoring that the borg have spam numbers and hack the population of whole planets. stop emulating quan.also, again, jedi cant read a computer's mind. the borg are all drones, with exception to the queen. they don't think or plan. they have orders transmitted to them and they comply instantly since they have no will and thus zero hesitation and zero emotion.
AND jedi can't sense someones plans through the force, so don't know where the hell you came up with that.
The force would wreck the borg, keep believing lies. You stick up for star was but stick up for the borg, you sound like a flip flop.
What is your obsession with Quan?
The Jedi can sense someones plan through the force like Yoda did when he was betrayed.