FOTJ Luke VS Full power Vitiate in dark temple

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FOTJ Luke VS Full power Vitiate in dark temple

Takes place in the dark temple with dark side nexus, who would win?

Sinious Yo Da Best

FOTJ Luke > all sith/jedi but I still think in a dark side nexus, if Vitiate can manage to keep a distance between them, he has a great chance.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by Sinious
FOTJ Luke > all sith/jedi but I still think in a dark side nexus, if Vitiate can manage to keep a distance between them, he has a great chance.

I think Luke takes this, in a good fight if anything. It's inarguable that Sidious is more powerful than Vitiate, for all intents and purposes, and Luke at his prime is twice as powerful as Sidious.

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Sinious Yo Da Best
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I think Luke takes this, in a good fight if anything. It's inarguable that Sidious is more powerful than Vitiate, for all intents and purposes, and Luke at his prime is twice as powerful as Sidious.

Twice as powerful? Where does that come from?

By the way, I do agree with you on Luke taking Vitiate. I just meant that Luke is not so safe either. Should he lower his guard or make a mistake for a second, Vitiate can land a deadly blow.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by Sinious
Twice as powerful? Where does that come from?

By the way, I do agree with you on Luke taking Vitiate. I just meant that Luke is not so safe either. Should he lower his guard or make a mistake for a second, Vitiate can land a deadly blow.


If Anakin could be twice as powerful as Sidious, and Luke is as powerful as Anakin could ever become, then Luke is twice as powerful as Sidious.

Sinious Yo Da Best

Not sure if it works that way.

Stigma Herald of the Judgement

Luke squashes him.

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Luke never squashes powerful opponents. He's not that dominant of a fighter.

It would be a great fight.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Incredible fight.

Emperor Vitiate is among the few who can take Luke, IMO.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
If Anakin could be twice as powerful as Sidious, and Luke is as powerful as Anakin could ever become, then Luke is twice as powerful as Sidious.

This does not holds true for EU.

Anakin Skywalker had the potential to be twice as strong as mortal Palpatine.

However, Palpatine is much stronger in DE period. I don't think any mortal is as strong as DE Palpatine. Reason is that Palpatine, during DE, draws much of his strength from siphoning energies from others. I don't think Palpatine is dependent upon a fixed level of midichlorian count to function after his return since he is no longer a mortal as of DE.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I think Luke takes this, in a good fight if anything. It's inarguable that Sidious is more powerful than Vitiate, for all intents and purposes, and Luke at his prime is twice as powerful as Sidious.

See above

Also, Sidious > Vitiate is an assumption.

Sinious Yo Da Best

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Also, Sidious > Vitiate is an assumption.

I would say Vitiate has deeper knowledge in the force and probably can even/defeat Palp in a pure force fight but with an all out battle, DE Sidious would kill Vitiate. He is not that much of a warrior tbh.

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Also, Sidious > Vitiate is an assumption.

So is Vitiate > Sidious, only that Sidious > Vitiate is a superior assumption according to lore. 😉

Luke force folds Vitiate's ass into his blade.
/thread

The_Tempest Senior Member
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Luke force folds Vitiate's ass into his blade.
/thread

Then Luke stabs him with his lightsaber.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ The Immortal Emperor

Luke isn't actually twice as powerful as Sidious, tbh. Vader is "80 percent" of Sidious, and Sidious can annihilate Vader on a whim. I don't see Luke, even as of FOTJ, to be capable of uber-stomping Palpatine.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Incredible fight.

Emperor Vitiate is among the few who can take Luke, IMO.

This does not holds true for EU.

Anakin Skywalker had the potential to be twice as strong as mortal Palpatine.

However, Palpatine is much stronger in DE period. I don't think any mortal is as strong as DE Palpatine. Reason is that Palpatine, during DE, draws much of his strength from siphoning energies from others. I don't think Palpatine is dependent upon a fixed level of midichlorian count to function after his return since he is no longer a mortal as of DE.

See above

Also, Sidious > Vitiate is an assumption.


Palpatine was stronger than Vitiate before DE. Palpatine was more powerful than Vitiate before ANH.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Luke isn't actually twice as powerful as Sidious, tbh. Vader is "80 percent" of Sidious, and Sidious can annihilate Vader on a whim. I don't see Luke, even as of FOTJ, to be capable of uber-stomping Palpatine.

Luke hasn't been capable of uber-stomping anyone. Unless you're implying that Desann is anywhere near Luke's level even in Jedi Outcast.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Palpatine was stronger than Vitiate before DE. Palpatine was more powerful than Vitiate before ANH.

Unrealistic!

Emperor Vitiate was supremely strong in the Force even as a mortal. He continued to grow in power with passage of time after Nathema event and eventually reached a point when he literally multi-tasked on a grand scale: siphoned energies from many individuals; influenced an entire world with his powers and dark side practices; manifested himself within thousands of other individuals to expand his reach on galactic scale; switched bodies; and also participated in combat situations when necessary.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Luke hasn't been capable of uber-stomping anyone. Unless you're implying that Desann is anywhere near Luke's level even in Jedi Outcast.

No, Luke couldn't do jack to Lord Nyax as an example.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ The Immortal Emperor

LeGenD, I think you misinterpreted his statement. He's saying that Luke isn't capable of uber stomping anyone, not that he is.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

^^^

Oh, yes, I noticed. Thanks for pointing out.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Emperor Vitiate was supremely strong in the Force even as a mortal. He continued to grow in power with passage of time after Nathema event and eventually reached a point when he literally multi-tasked on a grand scale: siphoned energies from many individuals; influenced an entire world with his powers and dark side practices; manifested himself within thousands of other individuals to expand his reach on galactic scale; switched bodies; and also participated in combat situations when necessary.


I know it seems unrealistic, but I can only work with what I'm given, and no matter what I see happening in TOR, I do know that Palpatine is aware of who Vitiate is, but is still called more powerful. Vitiate may be more powerful than Palpatine in some areas, but for now, I have to assume Palpatine is still the most powerful overall.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I know it seems unrealistic, but I can only work with what I'm given, and no matter what I see happening in TOR, I do know that Palpatine is aware of who Vitiate is, but is still called more powerful. Vitiate may be more powerful than Palpatine in some areas, but for now, I have to assume Palpatine is still the most powerful overall.

Palpatine is supposedly stronger as per sources that predate introduction of Emperor Vitiate to the mythos. I think that these sources should not be considered for ranking Palpatine anymore.

Also, their is no consensus about these matters at official capacity as apparent from BioWare's works.