FOTJ Luke VS Full power Vitiate in dark temple

Originally posted by The_Tempest
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9:51. We don't know how long it took for Tython to rescue his companions. The bottom line is that Vitiate apparently had enough time to gather his energies (which makes sense, since he's recuperating on a powerful dark side nexus that sits atop another powerful dark side nexus). The fact that the mission description doesn't provide regular reports of Vitiate's convalescence doesn't change that.

But Scourge saying that doesn't necessarily mean that Vitiate was actually able to recover his power. Scourge fears Vitiate, so he could've been speaking from that fear. After all, he betrayed Vitiate.

Its dumb to think that the Emperor recovered a significant amount in the few minutes it took to save Kira/Doc in comparison to the hours it would take to gather the Republic fleet, assault Dromund Kaas, fight through Kaas City and fight through the Dark Temple defenses.

Point is, Vitiate could have been at 98% recovery and still technically be weakened (since he's not at 100%). We don't know how much time it took the Hero to save his companions, but let's not pretend Vitiate was near-death or anything. It's just an embarrassing showing.

So biased.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So biased.

You really are:

Originally posted by Nephthys
You should know by now that my Swtor bias utterly eclipses my TotJ bias.

Bottom line is, I still have you SWTORians by the balls.

Time to accept His Imperial Majesty's glory.

Vitiate, at his proper strength, easily defeated 4 of the strongest Jedi in the galaxy (including HoT) simultaneously.

Later on, Vitiate lost to 1 powerful Jedi and a droid.

Difference is massive in both cases. Valid explanation is that Vitiate was massively weakened from disruption of his most ambitious ritual, thanks to efforts of HoT and Scourge. Vitiate didn't recover properly by the time HoT confronted him for the second time.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So biased.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You should know by now that my Swtor bias utterly eclipses my TotJ bias.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate, at his proper strength, easily defeated 4 of the strongest Jedi in the galaxy (including HoT) simultaneously.

Later on, Vitiate lost to 1 powerful Jedi and a droid.

Difference is massive in both cases. Valid explanation is that Vitiate was massively weakened from disruption of his most ambitious ritual, thanks to efforts of HoT and Scourge. Vitiate didn't recover properly by the time HoT confronted him for the second time.

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The Hero improved, by nowhere near enough to beat a full strength Vitiate on the DT nexus after fighting through so much.

@ Neph

Wait, so you do think that HoT faced a weakened Vitiate and that's why he defeated him?

Vitiate was clearly not at full-strength, no.

What were we arguing about earlier today then? 😄

You seemed to think that made the Hero not on Vitiates level, even though it does despite him being weakened.

I still think that. Hero hasn't shown any other feats impressive enough to make her Vitiate's level. So it only makes sense to assume that HoT faced a considerably weakened Vitiate and that in a fair fight, Vitiate would crush her with the force the way he crushed Revan. Why is it so hard accept that I don't understand.

The Hero did resist Sel Makor's power in his inner sanctum, rather easily.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Hero did resist Sel Makor's power in his inner sanctum, rather easily.

Vitiate did that for months.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
FOTJ Luke wins, but he's not 200% of Sidious imo. Anakin's potential was 200% of Sidious, the same Anakin that pwned the Mortis children. Luke could not do that. Ever. From feats he's more like 120% of Sidious.

The fact that Vitiate is immortal is being a little bit too hardcore wanked here. No that does not mean he can defeat any mortal in the galaxy. Elves in Lord of the Rings are immortal, Master Fay was immortal, even Darths Krayt and Plagueis discovered their own forms of immortality, but that didn't stop them from being killed by mortals. So stop humping the fact that Vitiate is immortal in versus threads, cause that does not change the fact that he can be killed or beaten in combat by mortals. Hell, even ****in Revan posed a substantial threat to Vitiate's life, and I doubt any one is going to argue that Revan wasn't mortal.

Originally posted by Sinious
Vitiate did that for months.

I was just mentioning it as an impressive feat.

Its hard to accept your argument because the Hero had many disadvantages going in as well, as I explained to you. The nexus, the defenses, the companion and Vitiates own recovery, all amount to the Hero being on a somewhat even playing field.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The fact that Vitiate is immortal is being a little bit too hardcore wanked here. No that does not mean he can defeat any mortal in the galaxy. Elves in Lord of the Rings are immortal, Master Fay was immortal, even Darths Krayt and Plagueis discovered their own forms of immortality, but that didn't stop them from being killed by mortals. So stop humping the fact that Vitiate is immortal in versus threads, cause that does not change the fact that he can be killed or beaten in combat by mortals. Hell, even ****in Revan posed a substantial threat to Vitiate's life, and I doubt any one is going to argue that Revan wasn't mortal.

Noone says he is impossible to kill. It just shows how much he mastered the force.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I was just mentioning it as an impressive feat.

Its hard to accept your argument because the Hero had many disadvantages going in as well, as I explained to you. The nexus, the defenses, the companion and Vitiates own recovery, all amount to the Hero being on a somewhat even playing field.

Im not saying that HoT sucks or anything. I just believe that she is not that close to Vitiate and she isn't necessarily higher than Windu.

Legend seems to be playing the immortality card as an excuse to say that Vitiate could beat any mortal.