FOTJ Luke VS Full power Vitiate in dark temple

Originally posted by Sinious
Im not saying that HoT sucks or anything. I just believe that she is not that close to Vitiate and she isn't necessarily higher than Windu.

Ok. It's open to personal opinion I suppose. I've seen people argue that Vitiate was hardly weakened and therefore the Hero >>> him, just as I've seen people argue Vitiate was a shadow of his true self and clearly superior. I choose the middle for the reasons stated.

The Hero is stronger than the Barsen'thor, who is more powerful than Windu.

Do you see the Hero as higher than Revan?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Legend seems to be playing the immortality card as an excuse to say that Vitiate could beat any mortal.

I think he means to say it as a version of the character like DE/ROTS Sidious or FOTJ Luke.

Mortal Vitiate would be before the ritual took place in Natemha meaning when he wasn't even a century old and immortal Vitiate would mean that he is much stronger after all the rituals and much more experienced/wiser as he lived for a millennia.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ok. It's open to personal opinion I suppose. I've seen people argue that Vitiate was hardly weakened and therefore the Hero >>> him, just as I've seen people argue Vitiate was a shadow of his true self and clearly superior. I choose the middle for the reasons stated.

The Hero is stronger than the Barsen'thor, who is more powerful than Windu.

Do you see the Hero as higher than Revan?

Hmm I could somehow agree with that I suppose. I would still put HoT in a bit lower position than you do though I think.

Hero has triumphed where Revan failed and against an even more powerful Emperor so naturally she is to be considered superior. The inaccuracy here is that Vitiate would crush reborn Revan if not as easy as the first time. He would hold out for some time but it wouldn't be a great fight. At least that's what I think.

And I think Hot vs Reborn Revan would be a great fight and HoT would win at the end. So there is an inaccuracy in power hierarchy as usual.

Maybe HoT is the antidote of Vitiate and thats why she performed excellently against him. I can't come up with any other explanation other than Vitiate being extremely weakened of course.

Originally posted by Sinious
I think he means to say it as a version of the character like DE/ROTS Sidious or FOTJ Luke.

Mortal Vitiate would be before the ritual took place in Natemha meaning when he wasn't even a century old and immortal Vitiate would mean that he is much stronger after all the rituals and much more experienced/wiser as he lived for a millennia.

Hmm I could somehow agree with that I suppose. I would still put HoT in a bit lower position than you do though I think.

Hero has triumphed where Revan failed and against an even more powerful Emperor so naturally she is to be considered superior. The inaccuracy here is that Vitiate would crush reborn Revan if not as easy as the first time. He would hold out for some time but it wouldn't be a great fight. At least that's what I think.

And I think Hot vs Reborn Revan would be a great fight and HoT would win at the end. So there is an inaccuracy in power hierarchy as usual.

Maybe HoT is the antidote of Vitiate and thats why she performed excellently against him. I can't come up with any other explanation other than Vitiate being extremely weakened of course.

Originally posted by PTforthewin
Why are you saying that HoT is a female?

That's probably because they're HoT was female. I've seen people refer to them as she, he, and (s)he.

Oh

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The fact that Vitiate is immortal is being a little bit too hardcore wanked here. No that does not mean he can defeat any mortal in the galaxy. Elves in Lord of the Rings are immortal, Master Fay was immortal, even Darths Krayt and Plagueis discovered their own forms of immortality, but that didn't stop them from being killed by mortals. So stop humping the fact that Vitiate is immortal in versus threads, cause that does not change the fact that he can be killed or beaten in combat by mortals. Hell, even ****in Revan posed a substantial threat to Vitiate's life, and I doubt any one is going to argue that Revan wasn't mortal.

Vitiate achieved:-

1. Corporeal immortality, which enhanced his defensive capabilities against Force powers.
2. Voices, further increased his safeguard on a broader scale against majority of threats.
3. Emperor Vitiate doesn't have stamina related limitations.

In the nutshell, Emperor Vitiate is extremely difficult to stop/defeat and his powers are devastating. This entire ground reality makes Emperor Vitiate arguably the most dangerous combatant in the mythos.

A mortal, no matter how tough, have limits and lacks the advantages held by Emperor Vitiate. And its not like as if a mortal would be able to endure Emperor's attacks for like 15 min or something, not possible.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Legend seems to be playing the immortality card as an excuse to say that Vitiate could beat any mortal.

Originally posted by Sinious
Maybe HoT is the antidote of Vitiate and thats why she performed excellently against him. I can't come up with any other explanation other than Vitiate being extremely weakened of course.

Well Revan did suggest that the Force itself would create a Champion of Light to counter Vitiate, which is obviously the Hero.

Originally posted by PTforthewin
Why are you saying that HoT is a female?

Nephthys keeps referring to HoT as a female. Finally brainwashed me.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well Revan did suggest that the Force itself would create a Champion of Light to counter Vitiate, which is obviously the Hero.

Yes, so maybe HoT's skills were also shaped by the force to hit Vitiate where he is weak most which would explain why HoT was successful where anyone else more powerful than HoT would fail.

I'm laughing here, a ****ing fanboy claims that HoT is stronger then Luke