Delta1938
True King of House of El
Originally posted by Sin I AM
What accusations are false? This IS a bait thread. I didn't bring up QS u did. Marvel does not depict their heralds moving a super speed in h2h . Not even the ones we KNOW have superspeed like Gladiator, Surfer, Hyperion etc. Hell DC doesn't even do it often enough outside the Flashes. Any scan i provide will just keep this shit storm of a thread going (like the trench digging feat, enchantress feat etc) . I just know that he's never had an issue dealing with herald levelers who have superspeed so it's warranted IMO that's its a non factor. Mongoose, QS, Wolverine doing anything other than annoying him is absurd whe he's caught Zephyr and Hermes who are legit speedsters is ludicrous.
You have absolutely nothing but your unsubstantiated opinion that it's a bait thread. I gave my reasons for making that scenario, wondering if there's examples that Thor could actually reasonably keep-up with Superman. You've provided nothing, just accused me of making bait threads, defending an example that doesn't hold water, and claiming I'm lowballing Thor 'cuz you disagree.
Yeah, I brought up the Quicksilver fight. But you defended it. Are you saying you bothered arguing it just 'cuz, or do you think it's an example that Thor can reasonably keep-up with Superman? The way you defended it is kinda like arguing, say, early Quasar can hold his own in a pure hand-to-hand fight against Doomsday because he took-out Thing with an energy blast.
So accusing me of making a bait thread and calling it a "shitstorm" and you're still here? If it really bothers you so much, why are you here? Anyways, you're arguing that just because Thor fights opponents with combat super speed means he can keep-up with them, even if they don't show super speed because we know they do? Didn't you previously argue that Superman doesn't always speed-blitz? But are you now arguing that Thor fights others at super speed because they have it? If that is the case, that's completely hypocritical. I don't argue Metallo, Mongul, Equs, ect have combat speed just because they fight Superman.
And Thor digging that trench and catching Hermes are good speed feats for Thor, but not good enough to argue keeping-up with Superman speed-blitzing. The trench example had him digging "almost faster than the eye can see." Gross motor movement that still wasn't too fast for the eye to see. Catching Hermes did show some superhuman perception speed, but the actual catching was more a travel speed feat, not too useful for arguing Thor's combat speed. And not only did Thor not fight at super speed against Hephaestus after, but Hermes was shown after only moving ALMOST too fast for normal eyes to see, even if Hephaestus' sneak attack hindered Thor's fighting speed.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Alternates/Miscellaneous/Speed/Hermes
Compare that to Superman who has done more complex tasks requiring fine motor skill and doing it too fast for the eye to see, and it's not the best argument.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Superman%20speed/Speed%20Blitzes%20And%20Equivalents/Speedblitz%20Equivalents/Batman_is_helpless
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20speed/Speed%20Blitzes%20And%20Equivalents/Speedblitz%20Equivalents/Miscellaneous/AOS0-PG03.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20speed/Speed%20Blitzes%20And%20Equivalents/Speedblitz%20Equivalents/Miscellaneous/AOS543-PG17.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20speed/Speed%20Blitzes%20And%20Equivalents/Speedblitz%20Equivalents/Miscellaneous/SUPERMANANNUAL13-PG15.jpg
And these aren't even Superman's best. I'm not familiar with the Enchantress example, but if he Zephyr example is what I'm thinking, not bad for Thor, but also not something that doesn't translate well as an exam for Thor's combat speed. Hell, I believe Hal Jordan had a similar but more impressive example of catching Flash, but you don't see me arguing Hal blitzes Thor.
Basically, you're arguing your opinion, which you're not adequately backing. You thinking Mongoose, Quicksilver and Wolverine being faster in combat speed than Thor is absurd because of a couple non-combat speed showings ain't gonna cut it. Nor is arguing Thor fighting at super speed against Gladiator, Hyperion or Surfer(who's combat speed seems overrated, but that's another topic) 'cuz they have it. If that is what you were arguing.
Do you have better speed showings for Thor? If so, show them. If not, I'd appreciate you not accusing me of baiting, then complaining that I'm pointing-out your examples aren't up to par when they legitimately aren't.
