Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Yeah and beating Azula is a bit iffy since Katara still struggled with Zuko. Also if she's apparently fast enough to get to Toph then she shouldn't have had any problems with Comet amped Azula.Again why is Toph's blindness a problem in this fight.
Um... What? Are you suggesting that Toph is faster than Comet amped Azula? Did you not see the series? Like how Azula without bending juked and out-sped Toph and her earth bending, but Comet amped Azula lost to Katara?
Uh, Toph's blindness is a problem because 1. She needs to feel Earth to bend it, which by the way is precisely why she had so much trouble dealing with the sand benders and lost Appa, 2. She has no way to dodge Katara's water attacks because they make almost no sound, and she can't feel anything from them, meaning she's basically trying to dodge something faster than her, that she can't see, hear or feel, 3. Katara is much faster than her, and can use her bending speed advantage to cover the ground with ice, making Toph unable to see OR feel, 4. Toph can't attack her effectively once she gets to water, because she can't feel the vibrations from water, making Katara invisible to Toph, and 5. Toph isn't able to swim.
👆
Feel it then not touch it and still be able to manipulate it in intricate ways? Unless my phone screen has a lower resolution that I fought, I can't see her physically touching the meteor after the initial grab. she's only moving her hands closer, no interaction.
The liquid earth (shown with sand it's not the easiest thing to 'see'😉 through y he metal, then through the earth.. and then a massive quantity of it. Back then she was unable to 'see' through anything but Earth. On animals, sand, anything else and she can't see. In fact being blind was the very reason Toph refused to step on the drill at all.
Yet she could still bend the slurry without seeing the vibrations through the metal.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Feel it then not touch it and still be able to manipulate it in intricate ways? Unless my phone screen has a lower resolution that I fought, I can't see her physically touching the meteor after the initial grab. she's only moving her hands closer, no interaction.The liquid earth (shown with sand it's not the easiest thing to 'see'😉 through y he metal, then through the earth.. and then a massive quantity of it. Back then she was unable to 'see' through anything but Earth. On animals, sand, anything else and she can't see. In fact being blind was the very reason Toph refused to step on the drill at all.
Yet she could still bend the slurry without seeing the vibrations through the metal.
No, it's pretty clear that she compresses it and then bends it again. Either way, she still has to FEEL it initially. What aren't you getting about this? If she could just bend whatever, then she would throughout the series, instead of getting into such dire situations when she could have easily saved herself with that bending flexibility.
Yes. Toph is still like that, she can't see on anything other than ground, and to a lesser extent, metal. Neither of those things help her in this fight, considering she still can't see on ice or in water. And she can't swim.
Wait... you mean the sludge in the engine? I never said she couldn't feel vibrations in metal, which is why she was able to walk in the first place. She still can see, albeit not as well, meaning she could still feel the vibrations through the floor. Oh, and Aang was helping her.
Watched again, she's still doesn't seem to be touching it, especially for the last time. Its the extent that's important. If according to you so long as she gets a feel for something, that it can be in mid air and fair game.. by that logic of Toph gets a feel for the ground and is then thrown in the air, she would be able to bend the earth below that she felt.
She still had to bend a difficult material (liquid) through an opaque material (metal) which only connects to her through the ground the drills on. No prior touching.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Um... What? Are you suggesting that Toph is faster than Comet amped Azula? Did you not see the series? Like how Azula without bending juked and out-sped Toph and her earth bending, but Comet amped Azula lost to Katara?Uh, Toph's blindness is a problem because 1. She needs to feel Earth to bend it, which by the way is precisely why she had so much trouble dealing with the sand benders and lost Appa, 2. She has no way to dodge Katara's water attacks because they make almost no sound, and she can't feel anything from them, meaning she's basically trying to dodge something faster than her, that she can't see, hear or feel, 3. Katara is much faster than her, and can use her bending speed advantage to cover the ground with ice, making Toph unable to see OR feel, 4. Toph can't attack her effectively once she gets to water, because she can't feel the vibrations from water, making Katara invisible to Toph, and 5. Toph isn't able to swim.
👆
Toph hasn't had a problem bending Earth without touching it. She's had problems hitting mid-air targets but that doesn't hamper her bending at all. Again only Aang has outright exploited her blindness in a fight.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkai agree the toph is blind argument makes no sense.
Yeah and beating Azula is a bit iffy since Katara still struggled with Zuko. Also if she's apparently fast enough to get to Toph then she shouldn't have had any problems with Comet amped Azula.Again why is Toph's blindness a problem in this fight.
If toph were that easy to beat because she was blind how come no ones ever exploited that fact in a fight.
Also she drawed with bumi (him and toph are usually always seen as the greatest earthbenders in the world). Idc what nobody says katara is not beating bumi unless she blood bends and thats outlawed in this fight. Bumi took the whole city of omashu back by himself If toph can draw with bumi then she can definitely beat katara.
Katara in no way shape or form is as legendary as toph is.
Katara has zero statues dedicated to her greatness. And isnt even the leader of the small tribe shes in.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Watched again, she's still doesn't seem to be touching it, especially for the last time. Its the extent that's important. If according to you so long as she gets a feel for something, that it can be in mid air and fair game.. by that logic of Toph gets a feel for the ground and is then thrown in the air, she would be able to bend the earth below that she felt.She still had to bend a difficult material (liquid) through an opaque material (metal) which only connects to her through the ground the drills on. No prior touching.
Brilliant point
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaWhat example? All you did was realize you've been proven wrong and changed your argument. Now all of a sudden it's about "usefulness". Doesn't work that way. Your original argument is that Toph can't bend without touching the ground because she won't sense the rocks/earth, yet when I show you an example of her easily sensing and bending a rock that is in the air and over a wooden table you choose to ignore it. Evidence? You might as well be going "la la la not listening" at this point. But as a final nail in the coffin:
I know. It's not a debate.Are you saying she didn't touch the meteor before bending it?
Yeah, and bending a marble the size of a baby's finger nail about an inch is really useful. I never said she could lift rocks into the air and throw them with bending, but she obviously can't bend when she isn't able to feel something, because she's BLIND. And she couldn't feel Earth from the air. She apparently couldn't feel it in a wooden box. She couldn't feel it in water. She could FEEL the pebble, as stated by her.
In other words, all Katara, or ANY powerful water bender for that matter, has to do is remove her ability to feel Earth, by trapping her in a sphere of water.
Enough evidence? Pfft, I hope you're talking about my argument here, because my four examples outweighs your... well, none.
And for future notice, ages seems to have gotten over the aerial targets issue somewhat. Striking the wasp with rocks and colliding her rock with a boats projectile meeting half way (contact here is through the metal boat, the gapping water then the enemy boat to sense y he launch. That, or the air somewhat).
Originally posted by SamZED
What example? All you did was realize you've been proven wrong and changed your argument. Now all of a sudden it's about "usefulness". Doesn't work that way. Your original argument is that Toph can't bend without touching the ground because she won't sense the rocks/earth, yet when I show you an example of her easily sensing and bending a rock that is in the air and over a wooden table you choose to ignore it. Evidence? You might as well be going "la la la not listening" at this point. But as a final nail in the coffin:
http://youtu.be/w_Ko7VusR04
1:29 bends a rock without touching earth. At 4:28 she's not standing, she keeps jumping around yet is still bending at a distance. And not rocks but freaking metal. And doesn't seem to have any problem sensing it.
In your own words "post evidence or gtfo". I gave four, all you got is some speculations like "why didn't she do this and why didn't she do that" and that's no evidence, merely speculation. We only care for proof, I just provided four. You didn't provide any and you won't because there are none. But you'll keep arguing just to save face. Just admit you got this wrong and continue on the vs subject.
Examples? In that entire video, literally all of the scenes were her touching earth and bending it. Or metal, dummy. I didn't change my point, only simplified it because you're too stupid to realize a simple fact. I didn't argue anything about usefulness, only said even if she did manage to bend a pebble without feeling it, or being indirectly connected to it by Earth, that it wouldn't be impressive enough to merit anything. Which she didn't. She had plenty of time to feel the vibrations through the merchant, to the earth cups, to the pebble. Not that difficult, considering how her Earth sense works. She still had to FEEL it, which shouldn't be a difficult thing to understand, when the SOLE PREMISE of her powers is that she can feel through her bending, to bend in the first place.
When did I ever say she couldn't lift rocks and throw them with bending? In fact, I made a point of saying the opposite. Again, since you're too dumb to understand this, let me make it really simple. SHE NEEDS TO USE HER BENDING SIGHT TO BEND. She's even said this in the series, which is why she couldn't bend Earth in the metal cage.
You "provided" four examples of her doing exactly what I said she could. She feels Earth. She bends it. She can do nothing without feeling it, it's that simple. I mean, again, she would have been able to save herself or others MANY times had she been able to do so.
Again, SHOW ME ONE SCENE WHERE SHE IS OUT OF CONTACT WITH THE GROUND, OR SIMILAR MEDIUMS SUCH AS METAL, AND BENDS. She can't bend in air, or water. Why do you think she almost drowned in the Serpent's pass, and Suki had to save her?
GG
Originally posted by yungz22
Also the metal police bend all the time while in the air. Regardless of the series its still metal bending and toph is the one who started it so of course she can bend while in the air.Unless gogeta is tryna say that the metal police cant or arent bending metal
Show one example of Toph bending in the air.
The metal police aren't blind, retard.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Show one example of Toph bending in the air.The metal police aren't blind, retard.
What does her being blind have to do with anything toph created the style and the police force of course she can do whatever they can shes the one who started it and taught people how to bend metal in the first place.
Also with bumi being dead shes then unarguably the best earthbender in the world... The crazy thing is with bumi alive its a tie for the best.
Regard if what your saying is true(its not) toph would still be able to bend earth because she had been touching earth before she was lifted in the air.
You cant just make up rules for tophs bending. It was never stated by her that she had to touch a rock before she could bend it that makes no sense. If that was the case then it would be the same for any earthbender not just her.
The only thing being in the would do for toph is limit her senses. She would still be able to bend tho she wouldnt be powerless.
Another example is one of zaheers men. He was on a wooden prison in the middle of the ocean he wasnt touching earth at all but he could still bend the rocks zaheer threw to him