Originally posted by King Joker
I'm under no illusions Toph is a fantastic bender.
Katara hasnt shown the same amount of power and control that toph has.
Throughout the whole entire avatar series weve seen water benders that were better than katara examples....pakku, Korra,Amon,tarlok, unolaq, eska and desna, korra(waterbending only) have shown more power than katara
Bloodbending proves she has a significant amount of control. And she utterly stomped all of Pakku's students after a couple days to a week of training. She was beating Azula in Book 2 as well. She is extremely powerful! She is probably the second best, if not the best waterbender of her time. Toph is better at her bending than Katara is with hers, but as I've stated numerous times, it's all how their skills and abilities play off each other. Katara can attack and defend while on the ocean, but Toph can only defend. She can't counterattack.
Okay? That doesn't mean that Katara isn't extremely powerful waterbender. She's a freakin' prodigy!
Like, seriously, bloodbending the creator of bloodbending is extremely impressive. Hama spent years perfecting bloodbending, and has decades of experience with it. Katara bloodbended the creator with almost no knowledge of it, and around a year of legit waterbending experience. Hama was the last waterbender standing when the Southern Raiders invaded the Southern Water Tribe. That speaks for Hama's extreme skill and mastery of waterbending. Katara had a week of official waterbending training, and bested Hama. Katara is extremely powerful, and not to be underestimated.
Originally posted by yungz22
Katara hasnt shown the same amount of power and control that toph has.Throughout the whole entire avatar series weve seen water benders that were better than katara examples....pakku, Korra,Amon,tarlok, unolaq, eska and desna, korra(waterbending only) have shown more power than katara
I'd have to disagree with you on eska and desna, those two didn't show anything that would warrant them above the swamp peeps. Also we show probably limit this to TLA feats so both Toph and Katara have fair standing.
With that said Toph tied against the best Earth bender in the world. That along with the fact that Earth is generally more convenient to bend even if this take place near an ocean, Toph takes this.
Originally posted by King Joker
Bloodbending proves she has a significant amount of control. And she utterly stomped all of Pakku's students after a couple days to a week of training. She was beating Azula in Book 2 as well. She is extremely powerful! She is probably the second best, if not the best waterbender of her time. Toph is better at her bending than Katara is with hers, but as I've stated numerous times, it's all how their skills and abilities play off each other. Katara can attack and defend while on the ocean, but Toph can only defend. She can't counterattack.Okay? That doesn't mean that Katara isn't extremely powerful waterbender. She's a freakin' prodigy!
The azula thing could also be attributted to fire being weak against water more so than katara being better than her.
So what katara gonna do just sit out there in the ocean how is she gonna beat toph like that when toph could just put up walls. She also has the rock armor. Attacking toph long distance isnt gonna work. Earth is the most defensive element of them all. Bunkering down would be a problem for toph. She has litterally created walls that took up the side of a mountain
Shes still gonna know if water is coming towards her just like how she knew where those flying bugs were at.
Originally posted by yungz22
The azula thing could also be attributted to fire being weak against water more so than katara being better than her.So what katara gonna do just sit out there in the ocean how is she gonna beat toph like that when toph could just put up walls.
Shes still gonna know if water is coming towards her just like how she was attacking those flying bugs
How is fire weak against water anymore than water is weak against fire?
I don't know. But what I do know is that there is no chance for Toph to beat Katara if she is on the ocean.
I think you forget Katara was telling Toph where to aim...
Originally posted by King Joker
How is fire weak against water anymore than water is weak against fire?I don't know. But what I do know is that there is no chance for Toph to beat Katara if she is on the ocean.
I think you forget Katara was telling Toph where to aim...
Do you not use water to put out fire.
Like i said in my earlier posts earth is the most defensive element of them all. Bunkering down is not a problem for her as she has created immense walls that take up mountain sides.
Originally posted by yungz22
Do you not use water to put out fire.Like i said in my earlier posts earth is the most defensive element of them all. Bunkering down is not a problem for her as she has created immense walls that take up mountain sides.
Sure. But again, Toph can't counterattack. I think Katara could possibly penetrate rock with ice daggers, or possibly cut down parts of Toph's rock wall. But honestly, I doubt Toph couldn't recover from that or make more walls. Now that I think about it neither of them could really strike each other. But if anyone could have the chance it would be Katara.
Originally posted by King Joker
Fire can evaporate water.Sure. But again, Toph can't counterattack. I think Katara could possibly penetrate rock with ice daggers, or possibly cut down parts of Toph's rock wall. But honestly, I doubt Toph couldn't recover from that or make more walls. Now that I think about it neither of them could really strike each other. But if anyone could have the chance it would be Katara.
You think katara would have chance just because toph is blind which makes no sense because if that was the case she would be easily defeated..... Sitting out in the ocean isnt going to beat toph thats a ridiculous notion to make. She literally is the one of the top 2 earth benders of all time it wouldnt work like that.
Especially since you yourself said katara cant beat bumi. And toph tied with him.
Originally posted by yungz22
You think katara would have chance just because toph is blind which makes no sense because if that was the case she would be easily defeated..... Sitting out in the ocean isnt going to beat toph thats a ridiculous notion to make. She literally is the one of the top 2 earth benders of all time it wouldnt work like that.Especially since you yourself said katara cant beat bumi.
Originally posted by King Joker
The reason why I think Bumi could beat Katara is because he can actually counterattack while Katara is on the ocean, because he can see. Toph can't see her opponent if they're not on earth.
She could lower the sea level or bring earth up from the bottom of the sea. Or conrol the sand like garra and throw a sand tsunami at katara. That would significantly affect the movement of the water and turn them into rough waters. That would make it harder for katara to move freely.
Honestly if katara was to sit out in the ocean that would put toph on the defensive. You said yourself that katara might not be able to break through it. This leaves katara only one option and that to come and land and fight toph.
That is where she would lose.
Originally posted by yungz22
She could lower the sea level or bring earth up from the bottom of the sea. Or conrol the sand like garra and throw a sand tsunami at katara. That would significantly affect the movement of the water and turn them into rough waters. That would make it harder for katara to move freely.Honestly if katara was to sit out in the ocean that would put toph on the defensive. You said yourself that katara might not be able to break through it. This leaves katara only one option and that to come and land and fight toph.
That is where she would lose.
You do know how big the ocean is, right? Toph is powerful, but she isn't that powerful. And she hasn't shown enough mastery with sandbending for me to think she could send sand tsunami's.
Lol. Katara isn't retarded. If she can't break through it in the ocean she wouldn't try to do it on land. That makes no sense.
Originally posted by King Joker
You do know how big the ocean is, right? Toph is powerful, but she isn't that powerful. And she hasn't shown enough mastery with sandbending for me to think she could send sand tsunami's.Lol. Katara isn't retarded. If she can't break through it in the ocean she wouldn't try to do it on land. That makes no sense.
You act as if katara can dump a whole ocean on toph.
It makes perfect sense if you cant beat someone from long distance your only option is to attack close range.
Originally posted by yungz22
You act as if katara can dump a whole ocean on toph.It makes perfect sense if you cant beat someone from long distance your only option is to attack close range.
No.
It doesn't make "perfect sense." It makes the exact opposite of sense. If Katara can't break through the rock from the ocean, how would getting closer make a difference? Especially since once she gets on land Toph could attack. Katara is very smart during combat, she wouldn't go on land, lol.
Originally posted by King Joker
No.It doesn't make "perfect sense." It makes the exact opposite of sense. If Katara can't break through the rock from the ocean, how would getting closer make a difference? Especially since once she gets on land Toph could attack. Katara is very smart during combat, she wouldn't go on land, lol.
It does make sense how many anime fights have you watched where a character decided that close combat is the only option.
Sasuke, naruto and rock lee vs gaara.
Neji vs. kidomaru
Sasuke and naruto vs haku
Hei, kurama vs shigure
Hei vs sniper
Bit cloud vs the gun sniper
Ichigo vs byakuya
Ichigo vs renji.
Ichigo vs. gin
Lockon stratus vs the new innovator mobile suits
Setsuna f seiei final battle in season 1
And countless other fights i failed to mention of the top of my head
Well then it wouldnt be s fight if you expect katara to just sit out in an ocean while toph continuously creates walls and domes of earth to instinctively defend from what she cant see.
Also if toph can create stone wall that spread across a mountain side how is it farfetched to say she can send a wave of sand at someone
Originally posted by yungz22
It does make sense how many anime fights have you watched where a character decided that close combat is the only optionWell then it wouldnt be s fight if you expect katara to just sit out in an ocean while toph continuously creates walls and domes of earth to instinctively defend from what she cant see.
How stupid do you think Katara is? She'd have less of a chance to win if she decided to go on the ground! And she would know that! And Katara won't just be sitting out in the ocean. She's going to barrage Toph with waves, hard streams of water, ice, etc. Katara has a better chance of winning this than Toph. Period.