Rematch Thanos vs Odin with a couple twists

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm still trying to figure out how Morg is a mere Herald? How could he be called a threat to the entire pantheon of Galactus' Heralds if he was a mere Herald level character himself? The Surfer defeated Morg when he only had the Power Cosmic, he was certainly not going to beat him when he possessed the Water's of Life combined with the Power Cosmic. All of them were going to die, which was stated on panel. I guess that this should be ignored in order to continue saying that he was only a Herald. It does not add up. Cosmicus does this make any sense to you? If it does please explain it, and don't dance around it, or you will only appear to be incorrect about Morg.

Let me be clear, because when I explained this earlier you seemed to move into territory that had no bearing on the character. How is Morg a mere Herald if he had both the Water's of Life, and the Power Cosmic, and was nearly drained when the conflict with Thanos, and Tyrant began?

I don't recall anything about Morg possessing the WOL after Galactus restored him. If you have evidence that he did, I invite you to show it to me, because Morg being matched by Terrax clearly suggests otherwise.

Originally posted by Cosmicus
I don't recall anything about Morg possessing the WOL after Galactus restored him. If you have evidence that he did, I invite you to show it to me, because Morg being matched by Terrax clearly suggests otherwise.

i also did not recall Terrax ever being restored to power by Galactus, which goes to show the inconsistencies that that particular writer messed up on. I do see your point, but it was never stated that the WOL was gone. Where did it go? Morg also had it out with Thanos if you recall, and was doing well in their battle. Do you think Terrax would have done as well? You see the inconsistencies that i am talking about now? Thanos after all would one shot KO Terrax.

Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. If Thanos didn't need the Orb to fight Tyrant, why did he have it in his possession? Why bring it to the fight if it isn't needed? When Thanos dropped it, why was he struggling to pick it up if he didn't need it? Why not just blast him with his own power? Lol...it's OBVIOUS the orb amped Thanos. No denying this.

Because he was looking for knowledge on Tyrant, and obtained the orb. Obviously he isn't going to just toss away what he was looking for, but contrary to popular belief he didn't need it to fight Tyrant. The popular belief is that the orb played a significant part in his fight with Tyrant. This is just flat out untrue for reasons I've stated countless times but I will list them once more:

1. There is no context crediting the orb for Thanos' performance against Tyrant. Surely if the orb was supposed to be this weapon crucial against Tyrant then there would be some sort of context crediting it, and yet there is not.

2. The orb contained the left over power of one herald. Considering we have seen Tyrant stomp five herald level beings and even topple Galactus, it makes no sense at all why the orb would do anything against him.

Originally posted by Stoic
i also did not recall Terrax ever being restored to power by Galactus, which goes to show the inconsistencies that that particular writer messed up on. I do see your point, but it was never stated that the WOL was gone. Where did it go? Morg also had it out with Thanos if you recall, and was doing well in their battle. Do you think Terrax would have done as well? You see the inconsistencies that i am talking about now? Thanos after all would one shot KO Terrax.

I see your point but I'm not really inclined to believe that Morg possessed the WOL just because Thanos had a minor struggle with him. The reason being is because firstly, I don't see why he would still have it after being restored. You asserting that he still possessed it frankly seems more like your own interpretation more than anything. And, of course the fact that Terrax matched him in the same issue.

Originally posted by Cosmicus
I see your point but I'm not really inclined to believe that Morg possessed the WOL just because Thanos had a minor struggle with him. The reason being is because firstly, I don't see why he would still have it after being restored. You asserting that he still possessed it frankly seems more like your own interpretation more than anything. And, of course the fact that Terrax matched him in the same issue.

If you look at it the other way though, it could easily be said the same of you. I am inclined to believe that it was your own interpretation of events and not what was actually happening. i could also go on to state that for the sake of plot, Terrax did well against Morg that still possessed both power ups. After all Thanos would not struggle even briefly with Terrax. In fact he could one shot a character of his power level. What we have here is poor writing in my honest opinion, and as your points combined with my points shows, were there were simply too many holes to make heads or tails of Morg's true power level.

Since it has become obvious that neither of us will agree due mostly to lack of proof, (Morg having a tough time with Terrax vs Morg doing well against Thanos) we may as well agree to disagree, because there really is no hard evidence to suggest either of us is correct.

Concerning the orb, what you have is Thanos scurrying to regain possession of what you believe was a useless trinket, while others believe that the orb was actually helping to augment Thanos' personal power to a significant degree. I mean why scramble for a gun, if it is useless in a fight? has thanos ever come across as a flake? This is what everyone else see's while you on the other hand do not. So in the event that you continue to disagree, I am hoping that you can at least see why people would draw upon the conclusion that the orb was actually a weapon.

Originally posted by Cosmicus
Because he was looking for knowledge on Tyrant, and obtained the orb. Obviously he isn't going to just toss away what he was looking for, but contrary to popular belief he didn't need it to fight Tyrant. The popular belief is that the orb played a significant part in his fight with Tyrant. This is just flat out untrue for reasons I've stated countless times but I will list them once more:

1. There is no context crediting the orb for Thanos' performance against Tyrant. Surely if the orb was supposed to be this weapon crucial against Tyrant then there would be some sort of context crediting it, and yet there is not.

2. The orb contained the left over power of one herald. Considering we have seen Tyrant stomp five herald level beings and even topple Galactus, it makes no sense at all why the orb would do anything against him.

This doesn't make one bit of sense. What does knowledge have to do with him consistently blasting Tyrant with the orb and hitting Tyrant across the face with it. Did Thanos even attack Tyrant without using the orb?

Thanos wins.

One other thing about that Morg and Terrax fight was that even though Terrax did well, Morg was able to forcefully take his ax back and was on the verge of decapitating Terrax right when those drones showed up.

Originally posted by carver9
This doesn't make one bit of sense. What does knowledge have to do with him consistently blasting Tyrant with the orb and hitting Tyrant across the face with it. Did Thanos even attack Tyrant without using the orb?

Like Rage said, the first panel could have been artist error because in the pages before and after that panel basically all of Thanos' offense involves using that orb.

Originally posted by Sundipped
One other thing about that Morg and Terrax fight was that even though Terrax did well, Morg was able to forcefully take his ax back and was on the verge of decapitating Terrax right when those drones showed up.

Originally posted by Stoic
If you look at it the other way though, it could easily be said the same of you. I am inclined to believe that it was your own interpretation of events and not what was actually happening. i could also go on to state that for the sake of plot, Terrax did well against Morg that still possessed both power ups. After all Thanos would not struggle even briefly with Terrax. In fact he could one shot a character of his power level. What we have here is poor writing in my honest opinion, and as your points combined with my points shows, were there were simply too many holes to make heads or tails of Morg's true power level.

Since it has become obvious that neither of us will agree due mostly to lack of proof, (Morg having a tough time with Terrax vs Morg doing well against Thanos) we may as well agree to disagree, because there really is no hard evidence to suggest either of us is correct.

Concerning the orb, what you have is Thanos scurrying to regain possession of what you believe was a useless trinket, while others believe that the orb was actually helping to augment Thanos' personal power to a significant degree. I mean why scramble for a gun, if it is useless in a fight? has thanos ever come across as a flake? This is what everyone else see's while you on the other hand do not. So in the event that you continue to disagree, I am hoping that you can at least see why people would draw upon the conclusion that the orb was actually a weapon.

Not really. I go by what is shown on panel in the comics. Since there is no evidence suggesting that Morg still possessed the WOL, we can assume that he simply doesn't have it anymore. I'm not really sure how you can say he still possessed it when it wasn't shown in the comics.

But, fair enough.

Because, and I have said this so many times that I've lost count, the orb contained the left over power of one herald. Are we really suggesting that it's supposed to be significant against a guy who stomped five herald level beings and toppled Galactus? So, no, I cannot for the life of me understand why people would draw upon the conclusion that an orb containing not even the full energies of one herald is supposed to do anything to a Galactus level being.

Maybe now you can see where I'm coming from?

Originally posted by carver9
This doesn't make one bit of sense. What does knowledge have to do with him consistently blasting Tyrant with the orb and hitting Tyrant across the face with it. Did Thanos even attack Tyrant without using the orb?

If I'm not mistaken Thanos wanted more knowledge about Tyrant and he found the orb. I'm not sure what you're trying to say in regards to Thanos attacking Tyrant with the orb. Are you suggesting that it was supposed to have hurt or weakened him? If so, that makes no sense. After all, we can't expect an orb containing not even the full energies of one herald to do anything to a Galactus level being, which is why I am at a loss as to why people think it was so significant.

Originally posted by Cosmicus
Not really. I go by what is shown on panel in the comics. Since there is no evidence suggesting that Morg still possessed the WOL, we can assume that he simply doesn't have it anymore. I'm not really sure how you can say he still possessed it when it wasn't shown in the comics.

Morg has always had the WOL and had never been without since acquiring it. Galactus was only able to resurrect him because of the presence of it in his body and this was what allowed him to survive being ultimate nullified by the Ultimate Nullifier however he was still weakend and was captured by Annihilus.. All this was stated in his Annihilation bio.. Just an FYI

Originally posted by Cosmicus
Not really. I go by what is shown on panel in the comics. Since there is no evidence suggesting that Morg still possessed the WOL, we can assume that he simply doesn't have it anymore. I'm not really sure how you can say he still possessed it when it wasn't shown in the comics.

But, fair enough.

Because, and I have said this so many times that I've lost count, the orb contained the left over power of one herald. Are we really suggesting that it's supposed to be significant against a guy who stomped five herald level beings and toppled Galactus? So, no, I cannot for the life of me understand why people would draw upon the conclusion that an orb containing not even the full energies of one herald is supposed to do anything to a Galactus level being.

Maybe now you can see where I'm coming from?

Hey it looks like you were wrong. Can you see where I'm coming from?

Originally posted by Ambient
Morg has always had the WOL and had never been without since acquiring it. Galactus was only able to resurrect him because of the presence of it in his body and this was what allowed him to survive being ultimate nullified by the Ultimate Nullifier however he was still weakend and was captured by Annihilus.. All this was stated in his Annihilation bio.. Just an FYI

Good shit.

Originally posted by Cosmicus
If I'm not mistaken Thanos wanted more knowledge about Tyrant and he found the orb. I'm not sure what you're trying to say in regards to Thanos attacking Tyrant with the orb. Are you suggesting that it was supposed to have hurt or weakened him? If so, that makes no sense. After all, we can't expect an orb containing not even the full energies of one herald to do anything to a Galactus level being, which is why I am at a loss as to why people think it was so significant.

You're not making one bit of sense and you are avoiding the question. If Thanos didn't need the Orb against Tyrant and he only acquired it as knowledge, why did he use it 100% of the time during the fight? His blasts came from it and he used it as a blunt weapon as well. Explain this to me and stop going in circles. You're either in denial and don't want to admit that you are wrong or you are intentionally doing this to rile people up (and you're doing a good job at it too).

Originally posted by Ambient
Morg has always had the WOL and had never been without since acquiring it. Galactus was only able to resurrect him because of the presence of it in his body and this was what allowed him to survive being ultimate nullified by the Ultimate Nullifier however he was still weakend and was captured by Annihilus.. All this was stated in his Annihilation bio.. Just an FYI

Sure, despite the fact that no where does it acknowledge that he still had it in the comics, this much is evident seeing as how he was matched by Terrax. Bios are second hand sources, you can't really expect them to take the place of what is shown in the comics.

Originally posted by Ambient
Morg has always had the WOL and had never been without since acquiring it. Galactus was only able to resurrect him because of the presence of it in his body and this was what allowed him to survive being ultimate nullified by the Ultimate Nullifier however he was still weakend and was captured by Annihilus.. All this was stated in his Annihilation bio.. Just an FYI

Originally posted by Stoic
Good shit.

Nice find Ambient!

Doesn't Annihilus say in the actual story though that Morg was dead iirc.

I wouldn't take handbook that serious, as in some handbooks it says Thanos stalemated Odin

[QUOTE=14773162]Originally posted by Stoic
[B]Hey it looks like you were wrong. Can you see where I'm coming from?

No, I'm not. And it lookes like you just flat out ignored my entire post.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Doesn't Annihilus say in the actual story though that Morg was dead iirc.

I wouldn't take handbook that serious, as in some handbooks it says Thanos stalemated Odin

PS Thanos did technically stalemate Odin. He was on his feet at the end of the fight and the only thing that stopped it was Sif stepping in. No one said he was beating Odin.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes, because they killed him in the process of draining his PC. They didn't do it right, hence why they needed Thanos' expertise. That's how I remember it. Can anyone else confirm?

PS Thanos did technically stalemate Odin. He was on his feet at the end of the fight and the only thing that stopped it was Sif stepping in. No one said he was beating Odin.