Originally posted by Stoic
What you're doing is arguing a CIS off Superman, and not how he acts in comics. You can't ignore a characters personality, and fight in their stead. if you do, it wouldn't be Superman, but Zod, or Ultraman. but even with CIS off for both of them, there is a large gap in power between them and Thanos. I posted google images of Superman being dealt with, or how he dealt with TP exploitation against him here.
Originally posted by StoicNo, I'm not. I'm combating your CIS off Thanos with an option that Superman can do. Only fair.
What you're doing is arguing a CIS off Superman, and not how he acts in comics. You can't ignore a characters personality, and fight in their stead. if you do, it wouldn't be Superman, but Zod, or Ultraman. but even with CIS off for both of them, there is a large gap in power between them and Thanos. I posted google images of Superman being dealt with, or how he dealt with TP exploitation against him here.
Originally posted by carver9
I want H1 to answer my question.
Originally posted by StoicShow me where Superman was overcame by a tp assault instantly without it being a plot device.
Here's a present for you h1. Just scan through some of these.
Originally posted by tkitnaAnalzye Thanos fights with Surfer. See how dumb Surfer fights in order to make Thanos look superior. Surfer uses no speed, allows Thanos to walk up to him and wail on him without incident, etc. The same as others. Thanos fighting faster skilled beings like Gamora actually looks a lot slower.
H1 always says that Superman is to fast for Thanos and blah, blah, blah, but how does he know this? Does H1 have a speedometer hooked up to Thanos or something? For a slow guy, Thanos sure has wrecked a ton of people supposedly faster then him.
With that said, Everyone (including you) knows Superman is a lot faster than Thanos. So in reality, Thanos has no way of beating Superman.
I see you trying to gain your strength back, but it's in vain. I googled Superman being exploited, there was no plot device. I believe Grodd exploited him in one of those scenes. Thanos uses TP very often actually. I would say that he has used it in at least 30% or more of the stories that he has been in. It is not outside of his character. What's outside of character is Superman going all out against someone that he is not familiar with. Your Superman seems more like Sabretooth with Superman's abilities. i don't have to prove anything, but what you have to prove is the ability to say that you were wrong when caught. Just man up dude, and stop with nut ass shit.
Originally posted by h1a8
Analzye Thanos fights with Surfer. See how dumb Surfer fights in order to make Thanos look superior. Surfer uses no speed, allows Thanos to walk up to him and wail on him without incident, etc. The same as others. Thanos fighting faster skilled beings like Gamora actually looks a lot slower.
So how can Thanos be so fast yet so slow?With that said, Everyone (including you) knows Superman is a lot faster than Thanos. So in reality, Thanos has no way of beating Superman.
Superman gets hit in every comic so it must be in his character to fight dumb too. So the Surfer, who has been thumped by Thanos numerous times, just continues to walk into the fight knowing he's going to get his ass kicked? He doesn't use the powers he has at his disposal? Really? Did you ever stop to think that maybe he does, but Thanos is just that good? Thanos toys with Gamora and actually taught her how to fight. That's a terrible example.
Everyone knows this how? Is it because the artist doesn't draw Thanos with little lines behind him to indicate a speed showing? Again, Thanos has had trouble with how many speedsters before ever? One that I know of and that was the Runner with the space gem. Thanos beats people like Superman for breakfast and this scenario will be no different.
Originally posted by h1a8
Analzye Thanos fights with Surfer. See how dumb Surfer fights in order to make Thanos look superior. Surfer uses no speed, allows Thanos to walk up to him and wail on him without incident, etc. The same as others. Thanos fighting faster skilled beings like Gamora actually looks a lot slower.
So how can Thanos be so fast yet so slow?With that said, Everyone (including you) knows Superman is a lot faster than Thanos. So in reality, Thanos has no way of beating Superman.
Makes sense. Just like Martian Manhunter. He possess every power Superman have plus interest. He should beat Superman 10/10 huh? Surfer can do anything...He gets a 10/10 as well, doesn't he?
Originally posted by h1a8
WTH are you talking about. Prove it then. Show me examples of where Superman has been tp very easily and instantly without any type of plot device.I proved it several times. If you don't accept the prove then that's different.
Here it is again.
1. Non speedsters (or beings who don't have light speed reflexes) has avoided the hammer or blocked it.
2. It has been depicted by art to be moving under bullet speed.
3. Writer's imagine it going fast enough to been seen my the naked eye when it is thrown.Any one of those prove it. To not accept the proof is the claim that all 1,2, and 3 are false (and not some).
Also, you are forgetting that Superman can pop Thanos before he attempts or activates a successful tp.
YOu don't read comics.. I'm not going to hold your hand through them.. You can just ask ABHI who is as well versed on superman as you'll find around here. Sometimes I don't agree with his view on feats but he's still well versed. He'll even tell you superman has been TP'd numerous times and it didn't take years to do so. He's been TP'd with mere gestures before.
That isn't proof of THE particular scene i'm talking about...
1. What others have done with the hammer is irrelevant to you proving THE scene in question is bullet speed.
2 and 3. Do tell how ART CAN DEPICT BULLET SPEED.. DO tell.. Do you honestly try and be this stupid or is it a gift? When surfer traveled hundreds times the speed of light in the IG comic... it showed him flying on his board... according to you.. it shouldn't show anything because he's moving so fast. That is the dumbest argument I've seen you make. It shows them flying because readers like pretty pictures and to SEE what's going on. When superman is fighting somebody superfast.. if they were to draw it like the human eye would view.. there would be a blank page as we couldn't comprehend or see anything. Yet they don't do they.. they show them fighting and hitting each other so the readers can see what's happening. So do tell how it was DRAWN at bullet speed.
Originally posted by Stoici have nearly all of Thanos appearances, except his most recent ones. And Thanos didn't use tp in even 1% of his battles. Look at all Thanos battles. How many times did he use tp in mid battle? You would be hard pressed to find some. Thanos only got to Galactus because Galactus allowed him in (as requested by Thanos). But Galactus quickly got Thanos out once Thanos started to exploited him.
I see you trying to gain your strength back, but it's in vain. I googled Superman being exploited, there was no plot device. I believe Grodd exploited him in one of those scenes. Thanos uses TP very often actually. I would say that he has used it in at least 30% or more of the stories that he has been in. It is not outside of his character. What's outside of character is Superman going all out against someone that he is not familiar with. Your Superman seems more like Sabretooth with Superman's abilities. i don't have to prove anything, but what you have to prove is the ability to say that you were wrong when caught. Just man up dude, and stop with nut ass shit.
Anyway, we don't know the circumstances of Grodd because Superman has resisted him before. We must read that comic.
Superman has resisted Despero (who has great feats) and Darkseid (who also has great feats) and Braniac (who also has great feats). I do know that if Superman is concentrating then it is close to impossible to tp him. His mind is that strong. But when he is caught off guard then it is possible (but still very hard). Over the years he has built his resistance up and even mastered t-vo.
Originally posted by tkitna
Superman gets hit in every comic so it must be in his character to fight dumb too. So the Surfer, who has been thumped by Thanos numerous times, just continues to walk into the fight knowing he's going to get his ass kicked? He doesn't use the powers he has at his disposal? Really? Did you ever stop to think that maybe he does, but Thanos is just that good? Thanos toys with Gamora and actually taught her how to fight. That's a terrible example.Everyone knows this how? Is it because the artist doesn't draw Thanos with little lines behind him to indicate a speed showing? Again, Thanos has had trouble with how many speedsters before ever? One that I know of and that was the Runner with the space gem. Thanos beats people like Superman for breakfast and this scenario will be no different.
Superman gets hit for various reasons.
1. He choose to get hit (character)
2. He fights beings who are close to his speed
3. His powers are ignored for the sake of the plot (has nothing to do with character)
1. is done to gauge the power of his enemy so that he doesn't accidentally kill them.
Thanos never taught Gamora, he saw to her training. In the comic, she was better than him and a lot faster. Toying my ass. You are making shit up. That wasn't the writer's intention nor was it mentioned anywhere in the comic.
Look how Thanos fight others who we know don't fight with light speed. He isn't shown faster than them. Thus faster characters are jobbing their speed when they fight him.
Originally posted by carver9Yes Surfer beats Superman 10/10 everytime IMO.
Makes sense. Just like Martian Manhunter. He possess every power Superman have plus interest. He should beat Superman 10/10 huh? Surfer can do anything...He gets a 10/10 as well, doesn't he?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
YOu don't read comics.. I'm not going to hold your hand through them.. You can just ask ABHI who is as well versed on superman as you'll find around here. Sometimes I don't agree with his view on feats but he's still well versed. He'll even tell you superman has been TP'd numerous times and it didn't take years to do so. He's been TP'd with mere gestures before.That isn't proof of THE particular scene i'm talking about...
1. What others have done with the hammer is irrelevant to you proving THE scene in question is bullet speed.
2 and 3. Do tell how ART CAN DEPICT BULLET SPEED.. DO tell.. Do you honestly try and be this stupid or is it a gift? When surfer traveled hundreds times the speed of light in the IG comic... it showed him flying on his board... according to you.. it shouldn't show anything because he's moving so fast. That is the dumbest argument I've seen you make. It shows them flying because readers like pretty pictures and to SEE what's going on. When superman is fighting somebody superfast.. if they were to draw it like the human eye would view.. there would be a blank page as we couldn't comprehend or see anything. Yet they don't do they.. they show them fighting and hitting each other so the readers can see what's happening. So do tell how it was DRAWN at bullet speed.
You can't prove even 1 instance though. Because you don't have any Superman comics. Let's assume that Superman was less resistant against tp in the past. Then that has nothing to do with the present since his resistance has improved over time. When he mastered t-vo he became nigh resistant. Superman's feats speak for themselves. Resisting Despero, Darkseid, Grodd (yes he did before), Maxima, Braniac, etc. Remember Superman became overall more powerful over time. So using feats in his past that contradict his more recent feats is a fallacy.
So if you lowball Superman then it's only fair to lowball Thanos too.
If others can dodge or block the hammer then how in the hell is it faster than a bullet at those times?
No when something is going very fast in comics it is either shown or stated. Superman is either shown to travel fast because of distance and time (traveling to other galaxies in moments), it is shown as blur, or it is stated.
We go by the writer's intentions. If the writer wanted us to know the hammer is going that fast then he would give us some type of clue.
Originally posted by Stoicspot on .
Yes [b]"we go by the writer's intentions" when it suits our argument, but when it doesn't we just toss the writer's intentions out the window. When Superman gets hit, he's jobbing, but when he's ducking, and weaving it's the writer's intentions. [/B]
I remember when he said Thanos used a shield against Odin and to stop Thor's hammer before despite it not even been shown, said or even hinted at.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
And lack of common sense , plus sheer arrogance.
In character if Thanos saw a group of six characters one of which was Thor, he would immediately force block contain them because he isn't a dumb brute of a character, if he somehow missed one like Superman who has the possibility of dodging due to his speed, he would then switch to TP to even things up in terms of movement speed. When averaging things out like this, you have to go by track record, and Thanos' track record is a hell of a lot better than any of the people that he's facing here. Three of the team are complete non factors.
Originally posted by StoicIt depends on the circumstances in which Superman got hit. Did he intentionally get hit? Or was his speed/reflexes ignored at the time?
Yes [b]"we go by the writer's intentions" when it suits our argument, but when it doesn't we just toss the writer's intentions out the window. When Superman gets hit, he's jobbing, but when he's ducking, and weaving it's the writer's intentions. [/B]
Originally posted by Insane TitanWhat was it that slowed Thor's hammer down to a stop? Something was drawn (a barrier of some sort).
spot on .I remember when he said Thanos used a shield against Odin and to stop Thor's hammer before despite it not even been shown, said or even hinted at.
