Khan Noonien Singh vs. Palpatine

Originally posted by quanchi112
Here you say he's way too powerful. He isn't. Khan is more powerful so quit changing and ignoring your own words, kiddo.

Based on which feats ?

Khan guns him down. The other Jedi didn't have any long ranged weaponry. That's the difference. The feats support me.

The fact Khan doesn't have any powers really vs someone who has unlimited power. I'm going with the unlimited power. Also he won't be able to use his weapons because sidious will have already used them and then shocked Khan and he would be unconscious.

The fact he can fight yoda to a stalemate in a saber duel when the terrain is against him, stalemate a 100% amped windu, and speed blitz 3 of the greatest Jedi masters of their time if not all time, move so fast to where Anakin couldn't see him.

Again weaponry won't matter as Khan won't have any and once under Sidious power, Khan is screwed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't. Holding the saber to do it shows it's a shorter distance than extending the arm to punch. Quit lying.

Dude, I don't care for your own flaming which is pathetic tbh. I backed my claim with an analogy accurate to how ridiculous you fanboys are. I am better than you.

Total lie.. Watch Anakin's sword when he knocks the head off of C3P0... His sword is horizontal at his waist from blocking a blast then he MOVES HIS ARM all the way up to his head to block and deflect the blast. Now I know basic arithmetic is beyond you.. but measure from your waist to your head... then measure from your elbow to the end of your closed fist. As you'll clearly notice the distance the arms needs to move is the same or even less than the movement Anakin did to block that blast. We see the same thing with Mace. So your whole notion that it is a further distance has been utterly destroyed. Now, since we know arm movement is arm movement we know they can move their arms that fast to punch if needed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmR1ee223zQ

Glad to see you stopped peddle the stupid theory that I crushed about look Kenobi got hit with a head butt he must have human level perception. That argument was EASILY destroyed like most of your arguments by simply points out that humans can perceive other humans punching and can dodge them. They are fast enough to. However, as we know in real life fights... boxing or MMA... doesn't mean they can. They have the ability to but you can't always block or dodge all punches. So Kenobi being hit doesn't mean he can't perceive punches faster than human perception. Getting hit doesn't mean that in the least. Owned.

Again you compliment yourself LMAO. Do you find it funny nobody else does and laugh as you? Is that why you pat yourself on the back cause it helps you deal with all the ridicule you constantly get for being piss poor at debating?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Mhan shoots in less time and kills thus he wins. His feats support this.

By feats Yoda is much faster thus, he will move first

Khan guns him down before he can use the force.

When he has a speed feat, maybe, otherwise, good luck with that

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you didn't.

I didn't say it me who did. Read the thread.

Nah.

Yah.

And distance is distance as well. You want to ignore all the rest and falsely assume guys who swing sabers that fast can operate at much quicker speeds than guys who don't. Looks at Pre, Cad Bane, and Jango which shreds your case.

What distance, specifically? Palpatine already proved he can move distances when he shredded the jedi masters, which notably also shredded your case.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The fact Khan doesn't have any powers really vs someone who has unlimited power. I'm going with the unlimited power. Also he won't be able to use his weapons because sidious will have already used them and then shocked Khan and he would be unconscious.

The fact he can fight yoda to a stalemate in a saber duel when the terrain is against him, stalemate a 100% amped windu, and speed blitz 3 of the greatest Jedi masters of their time if not all time, move so fast to where Anakin couldn't see him.

Again weaponry won't matter as Khan won't have any and once under Sidious power, Khan is screwed.

Based on ? Windu bested him and he barely held on but did defeat Yoda. Those three were weak. Palpatine didn't speed blitz oppress or maul either. 😂

Khan kills him.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Total lie.. Watch Anakin's sword when he knocks the head off of C3P0... His sword is horizontal at his waist from blocking a blast then he MOVES HIS ARM all the way up to his head to block and deflect the blast. Now I know basic arithmetic is beyond you.. but measure from your waist to your head... then measure from your elbow to the end of your closed fist. As you'll clearly notice the distance the arms needs to move is the same or even less than the movement Anakin did to block that blast. We see the same thing with Mace. So your whole notion that it is a further distance has been utterly destroyed. Now, since we know arm movement is arm movement we know they can move their arms that fast to punch if needed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmR1ee223zQ

Glad to see you stopped peddle the stupid theory that I crushed about look Kenobi got hit with a head butt he must have human level perception. That argument was EASILY destroyed like most of your arguments by simply points out that humans can perceive other humans punching and can dodge them. They are fast enough to. However, as we know in real life fights... boxing or MMA... doesn't mean they can. They have the ability to but you can't always block or dodge all punches. So Kenobi being hit doesn't mean he can't perceive punches faster than human perception. Getting hit doesn't mean that in the least. Owned.

Again you compliment yourself LMAO. Do you find it funny nobody else does and laugh as you? Is that why you pat yourself on the back cause it helps you deal with all the ridicule you constantly get for being piss poor at debating?

I am glad you agree he has human level perception. The flash doesn't get caught by human level punches. His perception is on anitber level unlike the Jedi. Order 66, sport.

You're an imbecile and used to beg me for thanos scans. You're a nobody. You fit in the pack but no one says anything about you either way because you're a ghost. You're flavorless. Teehee.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
By feats Yoda is much faster thus, he will move first

When he has a speed feat, maybe, otherwise, good luck with that

Khan shoots faster than Yoda moves. Simple. Khan ftw.

Originally posted by The Scenario
I didn't say it me who did. Read the thread.

Yah.

What distance, specifically? Palpatine already proved he can move distances when he shredded the jedi masters, which notably also shredded your case.

Nah.

Palpatine proved it took him seconds to clear that distance and kill the weaker foes. That's slow.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So now you believe a guy in bus latter years that needs a cane truly has unlimited power ? Even Palaptine says otherwise. You're an idiotic fanboy.

Based on ? Windu bested him and he barely held on but did defeat Yoda. Those three were weak. Palpatine didn't speed blitz oppress or maul either. 😂

Khan kills him.

Well if you look at ROTJ he walks just fine without it. So no he really doesn't need the cane he just has it to make himself look frail. Dooku was Sidious age by ROTJ and he didn't need a cane.

Sidious threw the fight. We have been over this several times. You have yet to refute the argument I have set forth so until then you have conceded Sidious threw the fight. Really he didn't defeat yoda. They were a stalemate and due to bad positioning he got the bad end of the pod and fell down. Well he sure did handle them with ease now didn't he. However he did speed blitz, Agen kolar and Saeese Tinn. 😂

Well he doesn't have anything to kill Sidious with. Even if he did he would already be shocked and or being choked.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well if you look at ROTJ he walks just fine without it. So no he really doesn't need the cane he just has it to make himself look frail. Dooku was Sidious age by ROTJ and he didn't need a cane.

Sidious threw the fight. We have been over this several times. You have yet to refute the argument I have set forth so until then you have conceded Sidious threw the fight. Really he didn't defeat yoda. They were a stalemate and due to bad positioning he got the bad end of the pod and fell down. Well he sure did handle them with ease now didn't he. However he did speed blitz, Agen kolar and Saeese Tinn. 😂

Well he doesn't have anything to kill Sidious with. Even if he did he would already be shocked and or being choked.

There is no evidence he threw it. You're a fanboy. You need to back your claim which overrides him disarmed and at windu's mercy.

The guards took time as well as other feats. You don't know what a blitz is. truly pathetic stuff.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sidious doesn't need to use a cane to throw people off. He had them fooled for years. Yoda needed it as well.

There is no evidence he threw it. You're a fanboy. You need to back your claim which overrides him disarmed and at windu's mercy.

The guards took time as well as other feats. You don't know what a blitz is. truly pathetic stuff.

It's help though. I mean look at yoda vs Sidious. A short green guy with a cane. How much trouble can he be. Yoda on the other hand is of poor physical stature and health as he is 900 years old and suffers from the side effects of old age.

He's there is. Also there is no definite answer to that question as Lucas nor Disney haven't given any official answer. However there is plenty of evidence to imply he threw it and he also had the motives and the fight itself was fishy. Sidious had plenty of opportunities to take down Windu yet chose not to. I've successfully backed it, now it's your job to attempt to disprove it.

The novel also backs this up, he took down Kolar before any of them could see and then dispatched Tinn very closely after ward which is exactly.ty what happened in the movie. Yes, yes you are very pathetic. 😂

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It's help though. I mean look at yoda vs Sidious. A short green guy with a cane. How much trouble can he be. Yoda on the other hand is of poor physical stature and health as he is 900 years old and suffers from the side effects of old age.

He's there is. Also there is no definite answer to that question as Lucas nor Disney haven't given any official answer. However there is plenty of evidence to imply he threw it and he also had the motives and the fight itself was fishy. Sidious had plenty of opportunities to take down Windu yet chose not to. I've successfully backed it, now it's your job to attempt to disprove it.

The novel also backs this up, he took down Kolar before any of them could see and then dispatched Tinn very closely after ward which is exactly.ty what happened in the movie. Yes, yes you are very pathetic. 😂

Films only. Khan wins. Palpatine jumps and twirls around like a ****** and dies.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Both needed the cane because their bodies are shit.
You need to override the fight since he was disarmed. That's a fact. You saying he threw it you need proof. That's how debating works.

Films only. Khan wins. Palpatine jumps and twirls around like a ****** and dies.

Yoda needed the cane Sidious didn't as seen in the films how he could walk back and forth and walk to Luke without the need of the cane. Yes he was disarmed due to throwing the fight. He had plenty of opportunities to kill windu. Also the two were perfect stalemate. The book also confirms this, even being completely in vaapad they were as perfect stalemate.

The novel confirms this. Not using it as evidence just saying it confirms it. Palpatine is very dexterous.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yoda needed the cane Sidious didn't as seen in the films how he could walk back and forth and walk to Luke without the need of the cane. Yes he was disarmed due to throwing the fight. He had plenty of opportunities to kill windu. Also the two were perfect stalemate. The book also confirms this, even being completely in vaapad they were as perfect stalemate.

The novel confirms this. Not using it as evidence just saying it confirms it. Palpatine is very dexterous.

Palpatine dies.

Originally posted by quanchi112
SIDS used it so he needed it as well. Maybe not as badly as Yoda but he still was shown to use it to walk. Then prove it. Movies only.

Palpatine dies.

Yet he has walked without it thus he doesn't need it. It's more of a useful tool than a necessity. He had plenty of opportunities to kill windu yet didn't, he knew that Anakin was trying to save Padme, he had already tested Anakin to see if he was fit to be his apprentice by having him kill Dooku, he had the means and motivation to throw the fight, he had already killed three other Jedi masters, one of which who is actually possibly on windus level of skill or not that far off, he never used the force during the lightsaber duel, he manipulated Anakin throughout the entire movie and this duel was another manipulation, Lucas says Plapatine faked weakness so he could have kept going and pushing windu back. There is plenty of evidence and more of it.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yet he has walked without it thus he doesn't need it. It's more of a useful tool than a necessity. He had plenty of opportunities to kill windu yet didn't, he knew that Anakin was trying to save Padme, he had already tested Anakin to see if he was fit to be his apprentice by having him kill Dooku, he had the means and motivation to throw the fight, he had already killed three other Jedi masters, one of which who is actually possibly on windus level of skill or not that far off, he never used the force during the lightsaber duel, he manipulated Anakin throughout the entire movie and this duel was another manipulation, Lucas says Plapatine faked weakness so he could have kept going and pushing windu back. There is plenty of evidence and more of it.

Palpatine faked weakness after he lost due to manipulating Anakin to help get him out of the situation. If you think he threw the fight prove it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
People don't just use cane because they look cool. He needed it because he's pathetic. Windu disarmed him so quit making up feats and go with what happened. Windu won. Sorry, Palpatine.

Palpatine faked weakness after he lost due to manipulating Anakin to help get him out of the situation. If you think he threw the fight prove it.

Actually they do. Did you not see Harry Potter how Lucius has a cane/walking stick. Also have you not seen the British aristocracy how they use canes just to look cool. If he needed it why did he walk without it. Well that does lead to him throwing the fight as of you throw it you have to pretend to lose. Actually he didn't win. Whether he threw the fight or not, the sequence doesn't end until Windu is thrown out of the windu thus a Sidious victory.

He's a master manipulator. He faked weakness to appeal to Anakin who he knew was coming. He also knew the Jedi were coming so he would have the time to make this plan. I've already proved it. It's your job to try and disprove it.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Actually they do. Did you not see Harry Potter how Lucius has a cane/walking stick. Also have you not seen the British aristocracy how they use canes just to look cool. If he needed it why did he walk without it. Well that does lead to him throwing the fight as of you throw it you have to pretend to lose. Actually he didn't win. Whether he threw the fight or not, the sequence doesn't end until Windu is thrown out of the windu thus a Sidious victory.

He's a master manipulator. He faked weakness to appeal to Anakin who he knew was coming. He also knew the Jedi were coming so he would have the time to make this plan. I've already proved it. It's your job to try and disprove it.

He manipulated after he lost. That's what happened. Saying he lost on purpose is unsubstantiated.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That was in reference to older geriatrics. You haven't backed your claim you made up a theory with no real evidence to support it.

He manipulated after he lost. That's what happened. Saying he lost on purpose is unsubstantiated.

Again this is wrong. As even older people who are rich have used walking sticks just to look cool and show off wealth. The British aristocracy have used this. Yes I have, you just deny the proof.

He manipulated the whole movie. Form beggining to end. He manipulated the entire battle. I've given you plenty of proof to chew off of. Also there is no right or wrong answer per that particular argument as their is no official answer.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Again this is wrong. As even older people who are rich have used walking sticks just to look cool and show off wealth. The British aristocracy have used this. Yes I have, you just deny the proof.

He manipulated the whole movie. Form beggining to end. He manipulated the entire battle. I've given you plenty of proof to chew off of. Also there is no right or wrong answer per that particular argument as their is no official answer.

He manipulated schmucks. He also put luke around Vader thus providing the spark to light the Vader match into killing him. Windu also beat him. Then he manipulated Anakin who later killed him. 😂