Is God a just judge?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, the bible is only homophobic toward homosexuals who have engaged in homosexual acts? Or did I misunderstand?

How do you feel about homosexuals? Just for context. There are many people who only believe parts of the bible, and not the rest.

i treat homosexuals as people too! never higher, never lower... i have friends and even relatives... i'm fair to them... and yes, the act itself is wrong, but the person? the person can be a celibate... straight people do abstinence too, not just homosexuals...

Originally posted by dyajeep
i treat homosexuals as people too! never higher, never lower... i have friends and even relatives... i'm fair to them... and yes, the act itself is wrong, but the person? the person can be a celibate... straight people do abstinence too, not just homosexuals...

These guy friends and relatives, do you love them?

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Now that was an interesting read.

When a gay man stands for God's judgement, will God punish the act with hell, --- or will the person be sent to hell?

I hope you recognize how un-intelligent your statement is with your second thought.

Regards
DL

Now the above was revealing. It illustrates the kind of subtle bullying used to prevent people from speaking out against what they know to be wrong.

The one who does speak out against what is wrong must be willing to endure labels of ignorance, insanity, prejudice, or some combination of the 3.

The simple fact of the matter is that Dyajeep was largely correct in what he said.

I would advise that he remember he is NOT alone, not even on this board, in this forum, or in this thread, hope that he will in no wise back down to this form of intimidation, and would likewise suggest he take time before answering.

Remember, Dyajeep, the very GOAL of many people in this thread is to get others angry, in the hopes their opponent will write some hasty response that betrays their anger, and drowns out the rightness of message.

If there is any fault, it lies with the limits of the English language.
What does it mean to punish an act?
Does the fact that a person is punished mean the punishing is unjust or that the man's act was, in fact, right?

Perhaps another question can parallel and illustrate that it is Dyajeep's stance, and not DL's, that is actually the correct one?

When a man drives drunk, will the law punish the act of drunk driving, -- or will the person be sent to jail?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
...When a man drives drunk, will the law punish the act of drunk driving, -- or will the person be sent to jail?

But they don't kill the drunk driver. They put him in jail to protect himself and others. The drunk driver will have his day in court. The judge (or jury) will decide the punishment.

The bible commands to kill the homosexual caught in the act. That is homophobic. Stopping a drunk driver is not drunkphobic, it is to protect people. Homosexuals don't go out and kill people, but drunk drivers do.

Everyone is bible scholar here aren't they?

You guys are forever quoting scriptures to justify/prove a point of view. When you say the bible says this or the bible says that, 90% of the time it isn't saying what you think it might be. To understand what the bible is really saying you must read it chronologically. It is a book that's made up of lots of other books written by lots of different people and tied together by a particular belief system. A belief system that started as one religion and evolved into another. The bible (as a whole) attempts to justify that transition through the fulfilment of prophetic promise (Jews disagree though)

So while there are elements of the bible that don't exactly embrace homosexuality or any other sexual abnormality, it would be wrong to say that the book as whole is homophobic. It clearly isn't

And there's nothing wrong or particularly limiting with english language either!
It has over 250,000 words and the average American has a vocabulary of less 500 words. That's why most of you have problems articulating yourselves 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
These guy friends and relatives, do you love them?

of course, same love and care for my straight friends and relatives... why do you ask?

Originally posted by dyajeep
of course, same love and care for my straight friends and relatives... why do you ask?

You sounded homophobic.

Originally posted by dyajeep
i treat homosexuals as people too! never higher, never lower... i have friends and even relatives... i'm fair to them... and yes, the act itself is wrong, but the person? the person can be a celibate... straight people do abstinence too, not just homosexuals...

You treat homosexuals as people too. 😱 Homosexuals are people. Definitely homophobic! Then you go on to say "never higher, never lower". Wow, man, just wow! 😂

If I was gay, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with you.

🤨 what? treating all people fairly is definitely not homophobic... i don't know why you take my response negatively...

let me get this clear: many people claims that the Bible condemns homosexual people, and i'm saying that it's not the case... it's the act not the person... so when you asked me how i feel about them, i responded that i treat them as people because they ARE people! i don't condemn them...

even the Bible acknowledges that if a homosexual person leave his/her homosexual acts, then he/she can be candidates for salvation:

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God."
I Corinthians 6:9-11

because in Christianity, there is no male nor female because all are one in Jesus:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Galatians 3:28

Originally posted by dyajeep
🤨 what? treating all people fairly is definitely not homophobic... i don't know why you take my response negatively...

Originally posted by dyajeep
[b]let me get this clear: many people claims that the Bible condemns homosexual people, and i'm saying that it's not the case... it's the act not the person... so when you asked me how i feel about them, i responded that i treat them as people because they ARE people! i don't condemn them... [/B]

Originally posted by dyajeep
even the Bible acknowledges that if a homosexual person leave his/her homosexual acts, then he/she can be candidates for salvation:

Originally posted by dyajeep
because in Christianity, there is no male nor female because all are one in Jesus:

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Can you give me an example of a gay person in the bible that did not have homosexual sex?

read between the lines:

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God."
I Corinthians 6:9-11

and such were some of you... some of the Christians (in Corinth, to be specific) were homosexuals, but when converted into Christianity, stopped the homosexual acts...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I get the feeling that you view homosexuality as something perverse. Is that correct?

the act, yes... the person, no...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then both heterosexuals and homosexuals should be treated equally.

correct!

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
In other words, you shouldn’t tell homosexuals to not have sex while allowing heterosexuals to have sex.

wrong interpretation...

heterosexuals do abstinence too, not just homosexuals... and it was mentioned in the Bible:

"His disciples said to Him, If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry.
But He said to them, All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given:
For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it."
Matthew 19:10-12

Originally posted by dyajeep
read between the lines:

Originally posted by dyajeep
and such were some of you... some of the Christians (in Corinth, to be specific) were homosexuals, but when converted into Christianity, stopped the homosexual acts...

Originally posted by dyajeep
the act, yes... the person, no...

Originally posted by dyajeep
correct!

Originally posted by dyajeep
wrong interpretation...
heterosexuals do abstinence too, not just homosexuals... and it was mentioned in the Bible:

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Bummer dude!

i know, but it's a choice... but as the verse goes: not all men can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given...

Originally posted by dyajeep
i know, but it's a choice... but as the verse goes: not all men can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given...

I still don't see why your religion says that homosexuality is bad.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I still don't see why your religion says that homosexuality is bad.

at least, i know for a fact (in the Bible) that the act is bad, not the person...

Originally posted by dyajeep
at least, i know for a fact (in the Bible) that the act is bad, not the person...

That's the NT, but not the OT. The OT was kill them!

You still haven't told me why the bible thinks that the homosexual act is wrong. I guess we could start a new threat if that is too far off topic.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That's the NT, but not the OT. The OT was kill them!

just to clarify, OT laws and commandments are specifically for Israel:

"Remember the law of my servant Moses, the statutes and ordinances that I commanded him at Horeb for all Israel."
Malachi 4:4

that's the reason why there was a big issue of transition from OT to NT in the time of Jesus and His apostles... stubborn scribes and pharisees are hell-bent on insisting the implementation of OT to all people regardless... and Jesus rebuked them and amended (even changed) the OT to form the New...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You still haven't told me why the bible thinks that the homosexual act is wrong. I guess we could start a new threat if that is too far off topic.

we can, no problem about that...

in the Bible, it says:

"For as the woman is of the man, so is the man also by the woman; but all things are of God."
I Corinthians 11:12

the relationship God had made is man to woman... that is natural, otherwise:

"Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."
Romans 1:27

Originally posted by dyajeep
just to clarify, OT laws and commandments are specifically for Israel:

"Remember [b]the law of my servant Moses, the statutes and ordinances that I commanded him at Horeb for all Israel."
Malachi 4:4

that's the reason why there was a big issue of transition from OT to NT in the time of Jesus and His apostles... stubborn scribes and pharisees are hell-bent on insisting the implementation of OT to all people regardless... and Jesus rebuked them and amended (even changed) the OT to form the New...

we can, no problem about that...

in the Bible, it says:

"For as the woman is of the man, so is the man also by the woman; but all things are of God."
I Corinthians 11:12

the relationship God had made is man to woman... that is natural, otherwise:

"Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."
Romans 1:27 [/B]

That sounds very homophobic to me.

Originally posted by dyajeep
read between the lines:

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God."
I Corinthians 6:9-11

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It would be better if you just tell me.

i just did:

Originally posted by dyajeep
and such were some of you... some of the Christians (in Corinth, to be specific) were homosexuals, but when converted into Christianity, stopped the homosexual acts...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That sounds very homophobic to me.

not in any way, man... there is a reason for everything... if the God of the Bible is not partial:

"For God shows no partiality."
Romans 2:11

then we should not be partial too, as a Christian or as a person:

"My brethren, show no partiality as you hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory."
James 2:1

which means - homosexual or not, we should not show partiality... in the Bible,it is written that we should:

"So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all men, and especially to those who are of the household of faith."
Galatians 6:10

do good to all people...

"Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor."
I Peter 2:17

respect all people...

"And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
Matthew 22:39

love all people...

it doesn't get any clearer than that... whether it be a woman or a homosexual, we should love them all, with no partiality...

Originally posted by dyajeep
i just did:

Originally posted by dyajeep
not in any way, man... there is a reason for everything... if the God of the Bible is not partial: then we should not be partial too, as a Christian or as a person: which means - homosexual or not, we should not show partiality... in the Bible,it is written that we should: do good to all people... respect all people... love all people... it doesn't get any clearer than that... whether it be a woman or a homosexual, we should love them all, with no partiality...

The god of the bible doesn’t like gays.

Do you know why a homosexual person is homosexual?