Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Also, if you insist on quoting the bible, please use a modern translation.
using modern translations does not, in any way, make any difference in my argument...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That was absolutely confusing.
no, it's not... you just don't want to admit i have a point... the God of the Bible teaches Christians to love all people, without partiality...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The god of the bible doesn’t like gays.
nope...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Do you know why a homosexual person is homosexual?
yes, i do...
Originally posted by dyajeep
using modern translations does not, in any way, make any difference in my argument...
Is that all you care about? The old English is hard to read, and your argument doesn't work because I have a hard time reading it. To be honest, most of the time I don't read it because of the difficulty. So, don't quote the bible. Just tell me, but if you insist, then us a new translation, so I can read it.
Originally posted by dyajeep
no, it's not... you just don't want to admit i have a point... the God of the Bible teaches Christians to love all people, without partiality...
I can't understand half the old English, so all I read was the words you wrote, and that was really confusing.
Originally posted by dyajeep
nope...
Telling someone they cannot follow their natural sexual orientation or die or burn in hell is not liking someone.
Originally posted by dyajeep
yes, i do...
Then tell me. What makes a homosexual person homosexual?
Originally posted by Bentley
Are there natural and innatural homosexuals or just the former?
I don't know. All of the gay people that I have ever asked told me it was how they always felt. Some tried to be straight, but couldn't. I can only draw a conclusion from what they told me, homosexuality is natural for them, just like heterosexual is natural for me.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't know. All of the gay people that I have ever asked told me it was how they always felt. Some tried to be straight, but couldn't. I can only draw a conclusion from what they told me, homosexuality is natural for them, just like heterosexual is natural for me.
Ok, I was just wondering what you meant by natural in your statement. That's a simple take on it.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Is that all you care about? The old English is hard to read, and your argument doesn't work because I have a hard time reading it. To be honest, most of the time I don't read it because of the difficulty. So, don't quote the bible. Just tell me, but if you insist, then us a new translation, so I can read it.
fair enough, but just to clarify, i used Modern/New King James and Revised Standard which are newer versions of the old...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I can't understand half the old English, so all I read was the words you wrote, and that was really confusing.
you just don't wanna read it, dude... the verses i gave is pretty much easy to understand... and it wasn't old english...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Telling someone they cannot follow their natural sexual orientation or die or burn in hell is not liking someone.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then tell me. What makes a homosexual person homosexual?
not all natural "urges" are morally correct...
you posted this on page 4 ---
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But the bible is very homophobic.Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.I would say that putting homosexuals to death would be considered homophobic.
if you will continue reading it, it states ---
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion."
Leviticus 18:22-23
there are also people who prefer bestiality, natural for them? yes... morally correct? no...
and don't you go tell me you don't understand that, 'cause you're the one who gave that verse, i just asked you to read the proceeding verse... 😛
Originally posted by dyajeep
fair enough, but just to clarify, i used Modern/New King James and Revised Standard which are newer versions of the old...
Originally posted by dyajeep
you just don't wanna read it, dude... the verses i gave is pretty much easy to understand... and it wasn't old english...
Originally posted by dyajeep
not all natural "urges" are morally correct...
Originally posted by dyajeep
you posted this on page 4 ---
Originally posted by dyajeep
if you will continue reading it, it states ---
Originally posted by dyajeep
there are also people who prefer bestiality, natural for them? yes... morally correct? no...
Originally posted by dyajeep
and don't you go tell me you don't understand that, 'cause you're the one who gave that verse, i just asked you to read the proceeding verse... 😛
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
By the way, the reason bestiality is immoral is because animals cannot give consent. Therefore, bestiality is always a type of rape.
When animals are in estrus they will often let anyone shag them! So tell me then, if you had weird feelings for you dog and she was happy for you to mate with here, would that make it ok? And would the bible be wrong to disapprove of bestiality. After all it all feels quite natural
Breno
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What is morally wrong with loving someone? Again, calling homosexuality immoral is homophobic.
As far as I know, catholicism allows homosexual people to love each other, they just consider their mating a sin. It's an odd kind of nitpicking, I blame the obsession with sexuality that assaulted the Roman Church after the Middle Ages.
We know God is supposed to care more about the conséquences of an act, and not the act itself.
Originally posted by Bentley
As far as I know, catholicism allows homosexual people to love each other, they just consider their mating a sin. It's an odd kind of nitpicking ...
Not really. There are a lot of things wrong with Catholicism, but, assuming what you said to be correct, THAT part of the doctrine makes sense.
Love and sex are not one and the same.
If it were, the law would essentially be saying a person who was raped was loved too much by their rapist.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonStill very hard to read.
Why don’t you just tell me? I will take your word for it ...
When you string a bunch of verses together, they don’t make any sense. I can sometimes figure out one verse. But it is not easy, and most of the time I don’t interpret it like you do ...
🙁
You honestly don't think there's a reason for that, given what you've told other posters and myself in the past, Shaky?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I know nothing...I use the language and the way I write to get my point out in as few words a possible. I'm not a good speller and sometimes I can't spell the word I want to say, so I say the word I can spell. I am extremely dyslexic, if you talked to me in person you would understand that I do not believe that I am better than you.
I have a lot of pain still in my heart, from the days when I HATED Christians. Talking to you and others is helping me understand this pain. I am sorry if, form time to time, you see the pain in me.
I am tired of this thread. Lets start a new one.
Originally posted by Breno
When animals are in estrus they will often let anyone shag them! So tell me then, if you had weird feelings for you dog and she was happy for you to mate with here, would that make it ok?
Originally posted by Breno
And would the bible be wrong to disapprove of bestiality.
Originally posted by Breno
After all it all feels quite natural
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
🙁You honestly don't think there's a reason for that, given what you've told other posters and myself in the past, Shaky?
There is a very good reason for that. He is hiding behind a book, just like people who use videos to hide behind. He can just tell me in his own words, but I think he is too afraid. Or perhaps he feels powerless and needs to pump up his opinion with the perceived authority of the bible.
And stop quoting me from other threads. All you are trying to do is take me out of context. If you continue, I will report it.