Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yoda, Farfalla (BMed), Cognus, Anakin.
Farfalla? He is not a powerful Jedi
Cognus? She wasn't a formidable Force-user during the era of Bane
Anakin? Not directly
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Now who are the 'powerful' people Thanaton has one shotted?
Originally posted by Emperordmb
If you are seriously implying that Sidious and Bane don't come anywhere close to Thanaton's proficiency with lightning then I have one question for you...
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Originally posted by Emperordmb
WTF? So he's saying Thanaton oneshotting his past self in a vision is insanely impressive?
Thanaton tolerated lightning bursts of Exal Kressh back then who is also among the most formidable practitioners of lightning I have yet seen.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If you are considering (DE) Sidious, he might be capable of matching or defeating Dread Masters. However, Bane doesn't stands a chance at all, he doesn't understands the Force in ways like Dread Masters do.Dread Masters were so powerful that they couldn't be controlled by anybody, not even by whole civilizations/factions. Republic lost whole fleets to them in battles, Strike Teams were dispatched to assassinate these monsters on the ground.
The only individual who have managed to keep Dread Masters subservient or under check is Sith Emperor, no one else. This is the greatest feat of Sith Emperor and arguably greatest display of power in the mythos from a single individual.
Well maybe not all of them at once. I doubt anyone outside of the One's or Nihilus could defeat 6 Sith at the level of the Dread Masters at once by themselves. But individually Sidious and Bane are comfortably above them.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If Thanaton could be killed so easily or his powers could be blocked easily, why the hell Darth Nox had to go to extreme lengths to subdue him?Also, I wouldn't assert that the individuals that you mentioned are far more powerful then Thanaton. Utterly misplaced assumption on your part. [B]Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
promotes only Sith Emperor and Thanaton as supremely powerful Sith Lords. You are out of your mind to underestimate Thanaton.[/b]
Because Nox is only a moderately powerful Sith in their own power (not even more powerful than Zash tbh) and needed overwhelming power to take on Thanaton's powerful rituals.
Dude, seriously Thanaton is not that great. You put WAY too much credit into that one fricking quote calling him supremely powerful. Any of the people I named would own him like Nox did. In feats and accolades they are much more powerful than him. Just because the same word is used to describe Vitiate and Thanaton doesn't make them in any way comparable. Vitiate is laughably far above a peon like Thanaton. Your belief in Thanaton's power is bordering on the delusional.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Its coolness is not the point, its potency is. Thanation is evidently among the greatest practitioners of lightning application in the mythos. Many years before this event, Thanaton could summon lightning bolts so lethal that he could destroy structures made of metal and concrete with them easily. At his prime, he could summon lightning bolts so lethal that he could one-shot even powerful Force-users with them. I have never seen anybody formulating a vortex of destructive energy with lightning barrage during combat situation like Thanaton did. When Darth Nox was subjected to bombardment of this much intensity, he managed to tank it by drawing on the overwhelming power of several Force spirits bind to him on top of his sorcery-enhanced body. Now what makes you think that any mortal can tank such kind of bombardment? Do you think that any mortal have superior defensive abilities then stupendously augmented Darth Nox?By the way, Sith Emperor performed more impressive feats with lightning then Gethzerion, thunder storms engulfing entire Dromund Kaas, were his doing. He is arguably the greatest practitioner of lightning application in the mythos. I rank Thanaton second to him in potency factor in lightning application.
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Oh wow, a wall of wank.
Yes, his lightning is powerful but it is nowhere near the power of some other Sith. Destroying metal structures and one-shotting Force users is good, but still far below the greatest applications of the technique.
Yes, I do think a few mortal's can tank that attack. Jacen for instance can deflect turbolaser fire with his Force powers. And Zannah defended against a planet-wide Force Storm with hundreds of forks of lightning, generated by dozens of Sith Lords. When she was a child. Yoda, Windu and the Hero of Tython defended against the Force Lightning of the two most powerful Sith Lords in existence. Revan casually absorbed Nyriss' charged lightning. Cade Skywalker defended against an entire building exploding around him. And lastly Darth Jadus protected his capital ship from exploding. All of these people are mere mortals, and all of them could block Thanaton's lightning.
The Emperor created those storms through rituals and by corrupting the atmosphere of the planet. It isn't something he creates with his power through conscious effort, like Gethzerion did. Vitiates lightning is the greatest of any Sith, yes, but not for that reason.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If natural strength is considered, Nox is definitely heavily outgunned by some of the greatest Sith including Malgus. However, if Nox's 'sorcery driven stupendous augmentation' is considered, he realistically outguns everybody else barring Sith Emperor and perhaps Dread Masters.
No.
Nox has many peers and superior's. Just because his power was augmented doesn't automatically put him above every one else's natural strength. Vivicar was amped off of the power of hundreds of Jedi Masters yet still got pwned by Barsen'thor. Suggesting he's more powerful than Anakin or Luke in sheer power is insane.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I would have believed you if I haven't had access to [B]Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia. I count two Sith Lords being labeled as supremely powerful in this sourcebook:1. Sith Emperor
2. Darth ThanatonThen I read story of Sith Inquisitor and I was baffled to learn that Darth Nox had to wield combined might of several Force spirits on top of his own strengths to subdue Thanaton, hype factor of the latter Sith totally justified.
In the same sourcebook, many other great individuals have been mentioned but none have been touted as being supremely powerful apart from the above two. Yes, Darth Nox can be counted as one on logical basis. So what implications do these revelations have for the mythos?[/b]
Who freaking cares? 😐
Choice of descriptive language is interchangeable. Him being called supremely powerful is no better than being called highly powerful or devastatingly powerful or terrifyingly powerful. As I said above, the Sith Emperor and Thanaton being called the same word means nothing. If Thanaton was anywhere close to Vitiates power he would have dominated the Dark Council years ago. He would be considered the most powerful Sith other than Vitiate, not Jadus. He's nowhere near that powerful. His hyper factor is utterly below what you seem to think it is. He'd barely even made it on to the Dark Council as of TOR. If he was more powerful than Malgus, who became the ****ing Emperor, he'd have done so decades before the game. And lets not even dignify your frankly idiotic (no offense) idea that he's greater than Sidious or Luke.
Thanaton being called supremely powerful doesn't make him better than ANY notable Sith in the mythos.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He considers both options, my friend. I have presented evidence.
What, of two times he used a lightsaber? Oh, what fantastic evidence. No fool, Thanaton relies on his Force powers in combat. In all his battles against Nox he started the fight with the Force.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So Inquisitors cannot be expert swordsmen?
They can. But their focus is on Force powers. Your argument was that rigorous training led to lightsaber skill, so I pointed out that Thanaton was an Inquisitor and would spend most of his training on the Force.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Oh yes, his apprentice became an expert swordsmen out of thin air.
Glad you agree. 👆
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What exactly is his greatest ability?
Illusions.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Based on what? Kressh's lightning overcame lightsaber-based defenses of Thanaton and disintegrated his lightsaber in the process, effectively disarming him. In addition, Kressh filled an entire room with her lightning bolts, destroying structures made of metal and concrete within it.
Wyyrlok was matching Darth Krayt's lightning.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Both are among the greatest practitioners of lightning application and have impressive feats with lightning application. Sidious is closer to Thanaton then Bane.
That you seriously think Thanaton is more powerful than Sidious or Bane is truly mind-boggling. 😬
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes.Thanaton tolerated lightning bursts of Exal Kressh back then who is also among the most formidable practitioners of lightning I have yet seen.
She disintegrated his lightsaber and pwned him with it. 😬
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDJadus is Sith Inquisitor and he have incredible Force abilities.
Yes, but plenty of powerful sith don't use sorcery. We don't know *any* sorcery feats from him.
If you are taking carthage seriously then I don't have much to say to you. You will loose credibility really fast.
Seriously, you're saying people who haven't done any known sorcery are better than known master sorcerers because of era.
In the top image, Thanaton spun his blade so fast that it left after-images in its wake.
That's what happens when bright lights are spun around. I've seen ravers with glow sticks who can pull that off.
Wyyrlok haven't demonstrated high-level dueling feat, he happened to clash with a capable swordsman but he never struck Krayt down or did he?
Fighting evenly with a guy who has killed 4 masters in 2 seconds as well as beaten down Cade Skywalker is a very high level feat.
Thanaton, on the contrary, is among the greatest warriors the Empire have ever produced. When will you open your eyes?
Thanaton is famous for his force powers, not his saber skills, and has never faced someone as strong as Krayt- or Wyyrlok- in sabers.
What is with you attributing skills outside someone's specialty to them?
Someone who's powerful in one area is not necessarily strong in another. Jadus has shown no sorcery. Thanaton fights mostly with lightning, and back when he did use the saber he was no powerhouse with it.
Complete baseless claim, Thanaton didn't loose to any mortal in a clash.
Wyyrlok has killed an immortal before.
neither have ever one-shot other powerful Force-users with his powers.
He destroyed a legendary sorcerer in a sorcery duel, and held his own against a Sith Lord stronger than Thanaton.
Feats? Useless.
If you're not going to acknowledge feats, what's the point of debating?
Exak Kressh have more impressive feats then Wyyrlok III and she failed to defeat a young Thanaton. Forget Thanaton at his prime.
.... Kressh has very little feats, and most of them against a young Teneb who's not even near as strong as he'd become. Wyyrlok has fought two people who could be rightfully called the strongest of their era, destroyed one of them, and provided a hard fight for the other.
You have weird standards.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd suggest not bothering Q. He seems to think Thanaton is more powerful than Sidious or Luke. 😐
He also seems to think 'Ms. showed up in one comic and fought no-one of note except for Thanaton's rookie form,' Exal Kressh is stronger than the second best of a competitive and learned era.
