Originally posted by Nephthys
So prophecy is worthless? The Chosen One did everything the prophecy said he would AND he was the most powerful being ever born.The whole point of the prophecy was that the Sith'ari would be the King Adas reborn, who was notable for his power in driving off the Rakata. The Sith'ari would obviously have immense power and represent the pinnacle of the Sith ideal. Thats the prophecy.
Prophesy isn't worthless, the individual who fulfills the prophesy is not necessarily supposed to be a godlike being.
Anakin had that kind of potential but he never peaked, his story was a tragedy.
By the way:
Discovered as a slave on Tatooine by Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker had the potential to become one of the most powerful Jedi ever, and was believed by some to be the prophesized Chosen One who would bring balance to the Force. (From official website of Star Wars, now under Disney)
Similarly, Bane became a powerful Force-user, a standout of his era, fulfilled the prophesy. However, he wasn't supposed to be a godlike being and he isn't.
Originally posted by Nephthys
In what manner?
So you think that Bane is as strong as Sidious?
Originally posted by Nephthys
- So what? He WAS still drawing power from hundreds of Jedi Masters. Even if he only absorbed a small portion of power from each, the amp would be immense. According to you that should make him insurmountable yet the Barsen'thor beat him while she was weakened and after fighting through sorcery-enhanced soldiers. Amps can be overcome.
You are not presenting the whole picture;
1. Barsen'thor learned a special shielding technique with which she could resist influence (plague) of Lord Vivcar unlike other Jedi.
2. Barsen'thor freed many Jedi from influence of Lord Vivcar prior to confronting him, effectively shortening the supply of reserves of Lord Vivcar.
3. Barsen'thor wounded Lord Vivcar during battle and ended the influence of Morrhage's ghost on Parkanas Tank, effectively ending the battle.
Now, there is a possibility that Barsen'thor wounded Lord Vivicar with use of a lightsaber. In addition, Lord Vivicar wasn't a master of Force-walking ritual, he couldn't draw on the power of Force ghosts to fuel his own power like Darth Nox. Lord Vivicar is basically a host possessed by Force ghost of Terrak Morrhage. Fundamental difference in both developments.
Neph, it is always wise to focus on the ground realities and not on black & white notions. You cannot prove that Lord Vivcar is anywhere close to Darth Nox in power.
Originally posted by Nephthys
- Theres no indication Vitiate had to keeps the ghosts under control. He could just put them back to sleep like they were before the game starts. Vitiate was also on a powerful darkside nexus and the Hero had to fight to get to him.
Put them back to sleep? What nonsense is this. Force ghosts are restless entities and they cannot be put back to sleep like you are claiming. Anybody who ventures in to Dark Temple, learns a lesson the hard way.
Emperor Vitiate is the only Force-user in the galaxy who managed to control Force ghosts within Dark Temple, no other individual could pull this off. So yes, Emperor Vitiate was logically under greater pressure while confronting HoT for the second time on top of being weakened by the disruption of his most ambitious ritual. Once again, HoT's victory of Emperor Vitiate is a product of circumstances, not indicative of HoT's incredible power. Don't get me wrong, HoT is incredibly powerful as noted by Emperor Vitiate himself but he isn't a match for the mighty Sith, a godlike being, in a fair setting. No Jedi is.
Originally posted by Nephthys
- So admit that beings unnaturally amped by the power of many others can be eclipsed by naturally extremely powerful Force users.
No, your assessment is misplaced.
Originally posted by Nephthys
- Because Exar Kun is one of the most powerful Sith of all time. He's laughably far above the Sith Nox bound to himself. Even put together Kun is likely equal to or above their power.
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You are not making any sense here. As good as Kun is, he will not match the combined might of like 5 or 6 formidable practitioners of the dark side, 4 of these are Force ghosts. Force ghosts are powerful manifestations of energy, different in nature from a sentient being but have virtually limit-less energy.
Originally posted by Nephthys
- Not because Surik was powerful JUST by being a Force spirit.
I recommend you to read about Force spirits in
Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia, then get back to me.
Originally posted by Nephthys
- Because their combined power eclipses Thanatons. But Nox's power doesn't eclipse the likes of Jadus, Malgus, HoT, Barsen'thor, Marr, Scourge, the Wrath and others. All naturally powerful Force users and all peers of Nox.
And you know this how?
Even if we assume that these Force-users are stronger then Thanaton on individual basis (I doubt everybody is), this still doesn't confirms that they are a match for Nox's amplified form.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Only because Kun is so powerful and used an attack Luke didn't know the defense for. Don't act as if any Force ghost could destroy Luke. Kun is the exception, not the rule. His power was immense.
See above
Originally posted by Nephthys
Immortals have limits as well. Nox's power has limits, no matter how amplifed it is. Don't imply otherwise. Nox's limit is still below that of the greatest Jedi and Sith in the mythos.
Yes, every being have limits. However, I am not sure if Nox's amplified form should be used to compare him with
mortals naturally strong in the Force.
Do not forget that Nox is also powerful in the ways of the Force, without use of Force ghosts, he isn't a chump without such amplification and he is stupendously powerful with amplification.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Don't care. Jacen still blocked turbolaser cannonfire, which is immensely powerful and Luke is greater than him. He's not faltering against Nox.
Vader also blocked turbolaser canon fire, so Luke being greater then Vader is indicative of him being greater then amplified Nox? Makes no sense to me.
Here is a fact: Luke have limits too. Lord Nyax proved this and he is touted to be one of the most powerful dark jedi of his era, nothing immense.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It was a few days.No he wasn't. Its utterly ridiculous to think his power would have declined by a noticeable degree in the few days of DOE. I'd say I expect better from you, but your arguments are getting more outlandish every time.
Evidence of few days claim?
I am not suggesting that Bane wasn't even in fighting form. He certainly was strong when he confronted Zannah but not at his peak strength and condition.
My focus is on ground realities on the whole, my assessment isn't outlandish by any stretch of imagination.