Anyway, heading to bed. I'll respond to you and Nai in the morning since you guys like to triple-team me or whatever.
BTW, you didn't even respond to me on the main part of our last Kun debate on the "Durron, Kun and TFU II Starkiller vs. Novel!Vitiate, SoR Revan and HoT (Force only)" thread, so I'm not even really sure why I'm bothering engaging this bullshit.
If your arguments are going to be the ones presented though, it shouldn't be that hard, rofl.
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Uh, until someone proves me wrong.You've tried like a dozen times and either rage quited or conceded, IIRC.
You mean you ignored my last post in the first debate on this we had and when it became clear the only thing you could do with any consistency in the second debate was handwave Kun's feats then I decided to leave your blatantly poor arguments for everyone to see then. If so, yeah that's right.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66 That means shit given Kun and Palpatine were the only two people he fought of note. He doesn't consider Vader in those equations due to his whole "Vader was redeemed" shit.
You can make that claim when you stop your retarded Revan > Nihilus wank based solely in one statement by one of his personal fanclub members. Biased interpretations of character statements? come now Ant.
He is comparing them as individual Dark Side Nexus, not only among Dark Side Force Users, Exar Kun is a confirmed DS nexus of extreme potency, much like Palpatine was. A far greater accolade of raw power than any of the generic 'heart of the force' tripe accolades Revan has gotten and which Kun has a mountain of.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66 So wow, Exar Kun is more powerful than Desann. Shocker.
Desann, C'boath, Byss... and the list goes on.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66 Uh, the places where he simply walked as a Sith Lord radiated such power that Shan and the reborn Revan felt his dark presence years later.
Leaving a presence behind is nothing compared to being an actual Nexus Ant.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66 And he was so powerful that he made non-sensitive Ongree slaves ****ing feel the Force. That's a caliber of nexus rivaled only by no one. 👆
Lmfao, giving Non-Force Users the ability to feel the Force has been done a multitude of times by things that are certainly not a nexus, Kun's saberstaff being one of them.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66 You mean the Holocron ****ing Dooku had? 😬 It's impressive but hardly comparable to a literal planet filled with holocrons. I don't know how this is a debatable.
No, Exar Kun destroyed it after using it to make himself more powerful. The chronicles wank given to Malachor V is clearly over-played though, on the other hand the Dark Holocron is considered a seriously dangerous relic of the Sith Empire and it's guarding has been a primary concern for a thousand years. Mainly because it's got a 100,000 years worth of knowledge and lore.
It is therefore unsurprising that Exar Kun's Holocron is considered one of the most infamous in the entire galaxy as of SWTOR.
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66 No, that's just you bullshitting.
Nope, literally the only two other duelists wanked for Niman mastery is Maul and Krayt, both 4,000 years after his time.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66 The staff feat is pretty solid but obviously an exaggeration. Its power is limited to Vodo's if he's enhancing it. 😬Unless it was permanently enhanced? I don't recall that being the case, but correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't recall the other feat (the multi-feet thick one), but that's probably because you're exaggerating it so out of proportion.
Whether it's permanently enhanced or not isn't known, what is known is that Kun has done so twice.
The other feat is him smashing into Nadd's tomb which is layered in really thick beskar.
Regardless, either of them are greater strength feats than your blind assumption that Revan arm wrestles Terentateks.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66 Are you seriously going to argue that Exar Kun is a greater strategist / more intelligent than Revan?😬
If you're serious, let me know. Otherwise, nice trolling.
No, I am suggesting your Revan intelligence wank doesn't stand up to what we have seen on-screen. He isn't even a Vader tier strategist given some of the balls to the wall stupid shit he did in SoR. In other words stop the Revan > Thrawn claims because it's horrendously poor.
Not exactly why you think being a nexus is so impressive when all that means is having an usually strong presence in the Force, which can range from a force touched rock to Mortis. Congratulations. Kun has joined the ranks of every Force Sensitive that has ever existed. Fact is we know that all the power an Adept uses in combat comes from within them. Anybody worth mentioning in Star Wars could be called a "nexus." The Barsen'thor was/is a nexus, and they definitely aren't Sidious-tier.
Except Luke explicitly compares him to Reborn Palpatine whom has a multitude of quotes entitling him with being an extremely strong Dark Side Nexus. Infact, a huge deal is made out of the fact he is a living Dark Side Nexus.
Your logic is really poor in the face of that as very few Force Users have ever been gifted such a distinction, the only three that I can even think of off of my head are Valkorion, Sidious and Kun.
Being a living Force Nexus is a stupidly strong accolade actually.
The Thorlander leaving behind a nexus after her/his death(I.E after the Outlander gets some serious powerscaling in the future) is actually a pretty huge accolade all things considered.
It's also a pretty logical accolade for Kun to have. Remembering that his talisman TP raped SoR Nox instantly, his saberstaff gave weak-sauce Force Users serious power and his battle armor was itself imbued with the Dark Side.
He has left seriously strong taint on items and places and that reflects the fact he has been wanked so highly by Luke Skywalker. It also keeps in line with how much he can amp others as a spirit.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66This part here is probably the biggest flaw in your argument:
The quote states Freedon Nadd knows "all the Jedi and Sith Force powers."
It does not state, nor mean, he knows all Force-related techniques / practices.
A Force power is something like Telekiensis, Force Lightning, Force Storm, etc.
Elaborate Sith rituals do not fit under the umbrella of a "Force power". 😬
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Where was it stated Naga Sadow was a greater sorcerer / alchemist than Ludo Kressh? Or even comparable, for that matter?
Looks like speculation on your part. Malak and Revan were rivals. I don't recall Malak being close to Revan's knowledge on Sith lore.
Also, the fact Nadd learned everything from Sadow doesn't mean he's better than Revan when Sadow isn't even better than Revan.
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I'll concede on the point Freedon Nadd didn't have access to the archives. I was thinking of Coruscant there when I wrote the part.Nevertheless, it's still massive speculation on your part. Do you have a quote that says Nadd learned everything he could for the Jedi?
I have one in regards to Revan. So, it looks like he's beating him in that field too. 👆
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Hm? Darth Bane wasn't aware of all the details on Revan's actions. In fact, to my knowledge, all he really knew was:
1.) Revan and Malak were former Jedi that turned Sith and were a hairsbreath away from defeating the Republic.
2.) Revan redeemed himself back to the light, destroyed the Sith Academy on Korriban, than beat Malak over Lehon.Please note that the quote referenced was stated by Darth Bane before coming across his holocron. 😬
Also, LMFAO @ "when we know that it actually happened." No "worlds" were ever "brought low."
And yeah, I would be pretty impressed by Naga Sadow exploding a star too without knowing he had massive nexus.
Suggesting Bane regarded Kun or Sadow in higher regard than Revan, who was the basis of his entire Rule of Two and provided him with all the tools necessary to overcome Lord Kaan's Brotherhood of Darkness is absolutely ridiculous.
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http://www.swtor.com/holonet/companions/talos-drellikHe's about as credible an in-source character can get in regards to archaeology and whatnot.
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Uh, are you serious?Revan knowing how to do a ritual that would destroy all life on Yavin IV surpasses Kun's prized and main ritual.
And it's not as if he failed to do it - he would have been successful if not for the strike team that literally came in and destroyed the device.
BTW, most of the knowledge / equipment / temples / rituals that Kun has is not via his own creation, but from the leftovers as Naga Sadow. 😬
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Yeah, I discussed this on another topic. Why didn't you raise your concern then.And, for the record, in terms of the people who tried to say that quote isn't what me / Temp interpreted it as, you're easily the most retarded.
Did you... did you really just ****ing say that Darth Bane created the thought bomb?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRK
"Bane had sent it to Lord Kaan as a peace offering; a way to atone for Kas'im's death. It wasn't much to look at: text written on several sheets of flimsi, the writing cramped and hurried as if it had been recorded while listening to someone else speak. Yet within its pages it contained a detailed description of one of the most fearsome creations of the ancient Sith: the thought bomb." --POD
"Bane plots to reinfiltrate the Brotherhood and destroy it from within. He offers Lord Kaan a peculiar gift discovered among Revan’s teachings: instructions for the creation of a powerful Sith weapon, the thought bomb." --ERC
You're literally embarrassing yourself at this point. And the text even makes not the ritual has been performed before in the past by ancient Sith. 👆
Also, no. Revan and Malak went to Nathema after the Battle of Malachor V. They were there for quite some time trying to find Vitiate's location:
"He knew with absolute certainty that he had been to this world before. He remembered its deserted city and its lifeless surface. He remembered searching the empty buildings with Malak, looking for archives, records, and astrogation charts that would guide them on the next step of the journey. But most of all, he remembered the horror of a dead planet entirely stripped of the Force." --TOR:R
Tell me, how does it feel to be a failure? [/B]
Originally posted by AncientPowerExcept Luke explicitly compares him to Reborn Palpatine whom has a multitude of quotes entitling him with being an extremely strong Dark Side Nexus. Infact, a huge deal is made out of the fact he is a living Dark Side Nexus.
Your logic is really poor in the face of that as very few Force Users have ever been gifted such a distinction, the only three that I can even think of off of my head are Valkorion, Sidious and Kun.Being a living Force Nexus is a stupidly strong accolade actually.
The Thorlander leaving behind a nexus after her/his death(I.E after the Outlander gets some serious powerscaling in the future) is actually a pretty huge accolade all things considered.
It's also a pretty logical accolade for Kun to have. Remembering that his talisman TP raped SoR Nox instantly,
his saberstaff gave weak-sauce Force Users serious power and his battle armor was itself imbued with the Dark Side.
He has left seriously strong taint on items and places and that reflects the fact he has been wanked so highly by Luke Skywalker. It also keeps in line with how much he can amp others as a spirit.