Terrific movie from start to finish including scenes from the iconic story arc.
Also brilliant that Black Panther got a decent amount of screen time. I look forward to seeing him in his own movie along with how durable his suit is.
Its kickass that Crossbones was shown in action withthe trademark logo.
Falcon with his metal retractable wings are a topnotch invention and its embarassing Batman can't create them.
Great to see they are shields also, plus a effective red wing that also is a camera. Falcon such a badass I want those retractable wings.
Zemo like most villains is convinced he's moral, right, and just. They gave us information about his psyche that makes him a understandable 3 dimensional character.
His actions are still condemnable and wrong.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
I don't see how if felt like 'Avengers 2.5' for anyone.It wasn't a world threatening event going on with the Avengers all together.
It was a politics heavy movie just like WS was.
Iron Man movies also involve politics and are not "World Under Threat" films.
The Villain in Civil War wasn't out for revenge on Captain America. He was out for revenge on the Avengers. Civil War was about a dispute within the Avengers, not just within the Captain America proper characters.
Iron Man was Integral to the story. And even without IM, There were so many Avenger and other Marvel franchise characters that together that was a significant part of the movie. In fact 3 of those characters stole the movie of most people.
The movie even ends with "Spider-Man will Return". It says that at the end of a Captain America film.
So given all that anyone who argues this wasn't a Marvel Event film, or this had nothing to do with IM or the Avengers and was just a complete Captain America movie, is just outright kidding themselves. Even the title says Cap:Civil War. We all know Civil War is a big Marvel event and the core of it is a dispute between Captain America AND Iron Man.
So like I said, this was Cap3 with IM4 and Avengers 2.5 melded in there. There's really nothing to argue there.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
It's a joint universe, of course other characters will pop up. With certain characters being more popular than others, of course other characters will shine.You have episodes where Arrow joins Flash in his episodes, doesn't mean those episodes aren't "just" Flash. They're actually Flash episodes. No ifs or buts.
It's a storytelling style being used in the MCU franchise and it's not as if it's a unique storytelling style, either.
I mean, even assuming you're right and we decide to just simply "agree" with you, to what end are you even making this declaration? What's your point?
Oh geez I didn't see that post but I'll address it then:
Originally posted by Nibedicus
It's a joint universe, of course other characters will pop up.
It's not a "of course". And they were more than just "popping up." We didn't see any of the Avengers in Iron Man 3 aside from the post credit scene. Same with Loki turning into Cap in Thor:TDW.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
With certain characters being more popular than others, of course other characters will shine.
When there's that many features from more "popular" characters and they're the highlights movie, it becomes what's called an Event film and not JUST a Captain America film.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
You have episodes where Arrow joins Flash in his episodes, doesn't mean those episodes aren't "just" Flash. They're actually Flash episodes. No ifs or buts.
They're what's called "Crossover" episodes. And for the Flash/Arrow ones the story usually involves them both and crosses over both series. Although the one in the Flash episode will be a bit more Flash centric, and vice versa.
Other than that they just have episodes with what's called "Camoes" from the other series, but those episodes really have nothing to do with the other series.
The Supergirl episode which had the Flash is a better example. Because The Flash was a big part of that episode yet really had nothing to do with the main story. He was just there, so it was wholly a Supergirl episode that featured The Flash.
Yet even that episode was far more entertaining and popular because of the Flash being there. And an episode that fans of the Flash who hate Supergirl could tune into and enjoy, because it was no ordinary Supergirl episode, it was a Supergirl/Flash crossover.
With Civil War however, IM (and the Avengers) not only played a very Main role, but was also an Essential part of the story.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
It's a storytelling style being used in the MCU franchise and it's not as if it's a unique storytelling style, either.
There's not been a Marvel Event like this before in a solo character's film before.
Thor 3 will feature the Hulk, I don't know the extent of Hulk's role yet, but we already know given the title it will be a Thor film with Hulk there. Kind of like the Supergirl episode with Flash in it. Even that makes it a Hulk Crossover Thor film, but a Thor film nonetheless.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
I mean, even assuming you're right and we decide to just simply "agree" with you, to what end are you even making this declaration? What's your point?
Firstly it's not "my" declaration. Have you not read any articles saying things like "So Cap 3 aka Avengers 2.5..". It's kind of obvious from the film why people would say that. Because IT IS a Marvel Event film. And Tony Stark is an Essential part of the story. There's no If's or But's about that.
So what part of this are you "disagreeing" with exactly?
It's a silly argument that was started by CPT a few pages ago, and he's even agreed since then that the film is part Avengers 2.5.
But hey end of the day, you're carrying it on as well so there you have it. It takes more than 1 to argue a point. So I obviously have points valid enough for you to argue. Otherwise if I was just a Quanchi type Troll talking nonsense everyone would just laugh and ignore my posts on this, sans if I personally insulted them or something.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh geez I didn't see that post but I'll address it then:1) It's not a "of course". And they were more than just "popping up." We didn't see any of the Avengers in Iron Man 3 aside from the post credit scene. Same with Loki turning into Cap in Thor:TDW.
2) When there's that many features from more "popular" characters and they're the highlights movie, it becomes what's called an Event film and not JUST a Captain America film.
3) They're what's called "Crossover" episodes. And for the Flash/Arrow ones the story usually involves them both and crosses over both series. Although the one in the Flash episode will be a bit more Flash centric, and vice versa.
Other than that they just have episodes with what's called "Camoes" from the other series, but those episodes really have nothing to do with the other series.The Supergirl episode which had the Flash is a better example. Because The Flash was a big part of that episode yet really had nothing to do with the main story. He was just there, so it was wholly a Supergirl episode that featured The Flash.
Yet even that episode was far more entertaining and popular because of the Flash being there. And an episode that fans of the Flash who hate Supergirl could tune into and enjoy, because it was no ordinary Supergirl episode, it was a Supergirl/Flash crossover.
With Civil War however, IM (and the Avengers) not only played a very Main role, but was also an Essential part of the story.
There's not been a Marvel Event like this before in a solo character's film before.
Thor 3 will feature the Hulk, I don't know the extent of Hulk's role yet, but we already know given the title it will be a Thor film with Hulk there. Kind of like the Supergirl episode with Flash in it. Even that makes it a Hulk Crossover Thor film, but a Thor film nonetheless.
Firstly it's not "my" declaration. Have you not read any articles saying things like "So Cap 3 aka Avengers 2.5..". It's kind of obvious from the film why people would say that. Because IT IS a Marvel Event film. And Tony Stark is an Essential part of the story. There's no If's or But's about that.
So what part of this are you "disagreeing" with exactly?
It's a silly argument that was started by CPT a few pages ago, and he's even agreed since then that the film is part Avengers 2.5.
But hey end of the day, you're carrying it on as well so there you have it. It takes more than 1 to argue a point. So I obviously have points valid enough for you to argue. Otherwise if I was just a Quanchi type Troll talking nonsense everyone would just laugh and ignore my posts on this, sans if I personally insulted them or something.
Dude, I was gonna reply point-for-point until I realized that every single reply ended with: "What's your point?". And I ended up telling myself: What's the point of me answering anything you reply if I don't even know exactly what you're trying to say.
You type up like a multi-paragraph reply and, with all due respect, you failed to really mention what you're trying to tell us here.
I mean saying "It's not JUST a Cap movie" is kinda completely vague and you need to work with us here. What does that mean?? Seriously.
Spell it out for us.
I mean, are you saying that this isn't a Cap movie? Are you saying this isn't part of the Cap trilogy? What? Be specific. Stop skirting around the issue, man.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Dude, I was gonna reply point-for-point until I realized that every single reply ended with: "What's your point?". And I ended up telling myself: What's the point of me answering anything you reply if I don't even know exactly what you're trying to say.You type up like a multi-paragraph reply and, with all due respect, you failed to really mention what you're trying to tell us here.
I mean saying "It's not JUST a Cap movie" is kinda completely vague and you need to work with us here. What does that mean?? Seriously.
Spell it out for us.
I mean, are you saying that this isn't a Cap movie? Are you saying this isn't part of the Cap trilogy? What? Be specific. Stop skirting around the issue, man.
There's no skirting. Cap was the main character, but there was a clear Tony and Avengers arch interlinked with the main plot, and IM specifically had a massive presence in the film.
The biggest and most exciting fight sequence in the film was a heck of a lot more than just a Captain America fight.
I don't get what's so hard to understand, that calling this just a Cap film (mainly due to the title it seems) is kind of underselling what the movie was.
I mean was BvS a duo film solely because of the title and CW a Cap film just due to the title? Are we all just pretending that IM was nothing but a small part, and the story could have been done without him?
The original X-Men films all seemed like Wolverine movies to me, and I and others called them as much. Because we're pointing out what the movie gave us, and not just what they titled it.
And May I point out that the title is also Civil War which is a Marvel Event title from the comics, a story of the Marvel heroes being split between Cap and IM.