Captain America: Civil War

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sad thing is... that part was very accurate if we recall how the last fight between Parker and Stark went...
🙁
Thats not the only time Petes beaten him senseless either. He's beaten him by pouring on the webbing and ripping off his mask, hacking the suit, and flat out demolishing it through punching. Pete has outdone consistantly Stark on multiple occasions.

Amen, TI.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
THIS MOVIE WAS FCKING AWESOME!!

yes it was...

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Thats not the only time Petes beaten him senseless either. He's beaten him by pouring on the webbing and ripping off his mask, hacking the suit, and flat out demolishing it through punching. Pete has outdone consistantly Stark on multiple occasions.

Oh yeah 👆

Although that top one I believe was an alternate reality IM from the future. Tony's son I think.

Yeah, alt future. And the bottom one is from a What if.

I see Dumbshit 112 is talking nonsense again.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Thats not the only time Petes beaten him senseless either. Pete has outdone consistantly Stark on multiple occasions.

And Pete's got destroyed by Iron Man as well

Originally posted by Arachnid1
He's beaten him by pouring on the webbing and ripping off his mask,
http://
static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/72463/1320730-1428new_storyimage7201696_full.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/ASM_544_DCP_0023.jpg


That was when Peter had the Other amp. Same for the other similar situation, where he was wearing the Iron Spider suit
It no different from this fight as well where Pete was helpless against Iron Man
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4798031-3538370122-repul.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4798032-5525607689-durab.jpg
I know Spider Man was weakened due to his body rejecting the Other, but if you are trying to use Other Spider Man aka amped Spider Man showings for regular Spider Man, weakened Spider Man is a fair ball game as well
And it only happened becuase IM overheated the armor trying to break their fall while the feet was webbed up. So he lost trying to help Pete. (The armor doesn't work that way but I wouldn't expect better for Iron Man under JMS)

Oiginally posted by StiltmanFTW

[QUOTE=15762702]Originally posted by Darth Thor
[B]
[QUOTE=15762522]Originally posted by Arachnid1
[B]and flat out demolishing it through punching.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TFITpEPjQUI/AAAAAAAAOA0/oN4mLFHtWVw/s400/arno7.JPG

Although that top one I believe was an alternate reality IM from the future. Tony's son I think. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, alt future. [/B][/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, that was Arno Stark aka Iron Man 2020. Its even in the image link
Not to mention, Iron Man 2020 was already weakened due to time travel. And this is the same issue.
http://postimg.org/image/x7ck8wy23/
And he had been just suckershotted by Blizzard as well, so he was not in top shape as well. Oh, that was shown in the same issue as the beatdown, a couple of pages before Spidey came to the scene

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

[QUOTE=15762522]Originally posted by Arachnid1
[B]hacking the suit,

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/107745/2010912-batman_vs_spiderman_12331.jpg


And the bottom one is from a What if. [/B][/QUOTE]
Bingo. And that was the only time he hacked the suit. He has never hacked it in 616. The closest he has come to is removing the safety protocols in the Iron Spider suit before the fight

For those who want instances of Pete getting denolished by Iron Man (credit goes to Hulk Power from Herochat forvthese scans), here's one where Tony demolishes Pete after making a device that screws up his Spider sense:
http://postimg.org/image/xgek30pz5/
http://postimg.org/image/3om31ksjl/
http://postimg.org/image/j4znbux6p/

Here's two, where he straight up oneshots him:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4648262-repulsors+46.jpg
Both from Civil War era, the same period where him ripping off the mask happened.

And even those inexperienced with the armor has consistently wrecked Pete's shit as well.
Punisher while in the Iron Man armor who was so inexperienced with the armor so that he could barely fly destroyed Pete:

http://postimg.org/image/mw5uw1apt/
http://postimg.org/image/wltpbyoap/

Newbie guy in old armor destroying Spidey (thanks to Galan) and even more recent
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27325633/Agents_of_S.H.I.E.L.D._2016-_005-015.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27325643/Agents_of_S.H.I.E.L.D._2016-_005-016.jpg.html

Also, lol at "possesses the strength and agility of a spider" So Marvel retconned Pete's strength level to that of a spider? 😆

^ Yeah I thought the Arno Stark one was injured, or not at 100%. Been a long long time since I read that one.

Also remember Parker saying something like "good bets on IM having enough firepower to take out a street full of Spider-Men". But I might be remembering that wrong.

I also remember he says himself he can't defeat him (which might be in that scan), but he didn't know this wasn't the real IM and didn't know he was weakened.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Look, there is no consistency within the MCU in regards to power levels....period. It's always been a problem. Especially in regards to Iron Man. The MCU make great movies, but they're not great representations of their characters POWER levels. I still love almost all the MCU films, but yah....they could really use to get a little consistency going.
IM beating Hulk in AoU still pisses me off.

That's nonsense. Till Civil War, the power level inconsistencies were minor at best, and they always had context. Heck, I am willing to bet the entire MCU excluding Civil War had less inconsistencies without context than in CW movie
And I am a Hulk fan yet the AOU fight end simply is a minor itch for me, since Hulk had broken out of mind control and calmed down by then plus it was a cheapshot. In fact, you should be boiling and bursting at the Civil War climax fight, since when Iron Man fought Thor at 475% power or fought Hulk in Hulkbuster he was clearly the underdog while the Civil War fight looked nothing like that

Originally posted by Surtur
I mean Iron Man should of been able to KO Cap with one solid hit.

If he was pouring it all, yes, but he wasn't. I wasn't too bothered by that, since like Stilt said:
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Tony knows well how much power is required to KO normal guys like Falcon without doing them any serious harm. But it's hard to guess how much you need when you're against SSS guys. So he was probably playing it safe, too safe.

It was made clear that Iron Man was holding back against Cap. What bothered me was Bucky was everytime shown physically inferior to Cap excluding the arm but he was taking hits frkm Iron Man better than Cap did in the same fight 😮:

Originally posted by Surtur

In the comics at least Cap had to use this piece of technology when he confronted Tony. In the movie it's just..punching.

Yep, but remember, it IS a CAPTAIN AMERICA movie done by RUSSOS. Makes me afraid if Thanos is gonna beat up Thor, Iron Man and Hulk in Infinity War and then get beat by Cap, like the bullshit we see in comics

Originally posted by Surtur

The IM suit seemed weaker and his energy blasts also seemed less potent.

On point. If Iron Man's armor was depicted as tough as it was in the previous movies, and Tony as competant as in the previous movies, then the whole plot would have gone south. And the repulsors barely left burn marks on the walls a d floors where they hit as if it was a flamethrower, unlike in the previous movies where it blew holes through in concrete and metal

Originally posted by Surtur

I realize there are always going to be inconsistencies, but I feel there is a line where once you cross it..it just takes away from the overall film. I still liked it, but there were moments during these fight scenes where it just got a little too absurd.

I agree. And Iron Man and War Machine suffered most from it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

In the movie, Stark gets plenty of armor components damaged, though. Damage-over-time thing.

Don't think that's the reason. Stark's armor had big dents and visible cracks all over it from Hawkeye's explosive arrows and SW's thrown cars after the airport fight. When he reaches Siberia it looks pristine.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Tony knows well how much power is required to KO normal guys like Falcon without doing them any serious harm.

Falcon is no ordinary guy though. In TWS, Ant-Man and Civil War he has tanked things that would KO or even kill fodder humans.

I am suing you guys.. you guys stole my issues 😄 😄

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I am suing you guys.. you guys stole my issues 😄 😄

We'll see you in court then 😉

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk

I agree. And Iron Man and War Machine suffered most from it.

Where did War Machine suffer? I thought it was pretty bad ass when Cap+Bucky+BP surrender to him.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
We'll see you in court then 😉

lols... but I do need to read those issues again

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Falcon is no ordinary guy though. In TWS, Ant-Man and Civil War he has tanked things that would KO or even kill fodder humans.

He's not. Perhaps he's a peak human and one could argue that his exoskeleton/combat vest grants him some protection here and there...

But he can't be compared to Super Serum Soldiers like Cap or Bucky. That was my point.

Well, Civil War is still technically out-pacing IM3...but it's only ahead by $5 million at this point. Seeing as it needs to make about another 105 million to beat it; yah...I don't think it will. I still hope it can crawl past it but it's starting to look doubtful.

IM3 made the money cause of the name, it was an abysmal failure in terms of plot, movie, character and so on.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
IM3 made the money cause of the name, it was an abysmal failure in terms of plot, movie, character and so on.
Again, I disagree. I thought it was an enjoyable film. It COULD have been so much better but yah, I'd probably give it a 6.5-7 /10.

People liked IM3, even though there are some in this forum that like to shit on it. But yah, it rode on the Avengers' success no doubt about that.

Civil War >>>>>IM3 and SHOULD have made more money. I doubt it's going to pass either the foreign or domestic totals of IM3 at this rate though.

News to me, you are the only here who liked it.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
IM3 made the money cause of the name, it was an abysmal failure in terms of plot, movie, character and so on.

His statement was not about the quality of the films. I think most would agree that Civil War is superior to IM3.

I have to think it is super hero fatigue. Which is a shame cause this is one of the best super hero movies.

I dont see how we would have that, people have been dying to see these movies.