Force Users vs. X-men (unbiased and clean)

Originally posted by The_Tempest
That's... not how the burden of proof works, my son. You can PM me if and when you change your mind.

Yes it is. I provided the proof.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
What was I wrong about, again?

It's sad that you can't even keep track of a conversation that is literally just one post prior. I even quoted you and everything. 🙁 Sorry you have issues, man. I hope you get the help you need to read better. 🙁

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I believe you were the one who chose to transpose the argument from the previous thread here, my son. I can actually link you to the post where you opted to do that, if you like. (This would be me making a claim and offering to satisfy the burden of proof correspondingly.) Meaning you are responsible for this discussion.

"What thread are we in, again? Are you going to at least attempt to post on topic?"

Edit - Not a single thing you've posted was on topic, again. Unless you can post on topic, your posts will just be ignored. Directly address the Scenarios in this thread or stop posting. Go troll the other thread. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes it is. I provided the proof.

Not so, my son. You provided a link where you claim proof can be found if one searches hard enough. That's not at all the same.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It's sad that you can't even keep track of a conversation that is literally just one post prior. I even quoted you and everything. 🙁 Sorry you have issues, man. I hope you get the help you need to read better. 🙁

Asking you to provide a source to prove that Xavier's telepathy and that of the Jedi constitutes me being wrong? 😬

Originally posted by dadudemon
"What thread are we in, again? Are you going to at least attempt to post on topic?"

Edit - Not a single thing you've posted was on topic, again. Unless you can post on topic, your posts will just be ignored. Directly address the Scenarios in this thread or stop posting. Go troll the other thread. 🙂

My son, you transferred the conversation to the other thread here. If you don't wish to discuss it here, we can go back to the previous thread. It wasn't my call in the first place; I'm flexible.

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Xavier kills all of the Force Users in both scenarios, with ease. There is no evidence that any of the force users have a resistance to Xavier's type of telepathy. If you guys want the Force Users to have immunity to Xavier's abilities, you're going to have to provide evidence that the Force Users have immunity to Xavier's powers. You guys are giving the Force Users abilities that they were not ever seen having.

Additionally, lol "Quicksilver."

Originally posted by dadudemon
Xavier kills all of the Force Users in both scenarios, with ease. There is no evidence that any of the force users have a resistance to Xavier's type of telepathy. If you guys want the Force Users to have immunity to Xavier's abilities, you're going to have to provide evidence that the Force Users have immunity to Xavier's powers. You guys are giving the Force Users abilities that they were not ever seen having.

Additionally, lol "Quicksilver."

But there is no evidence that Xavier can mindhaxx or kill a group of telepaths without some serious amplification in a combat scenario. (Note that I don't make any sort of contention about Cerebro-empowered Xavier.)

Originally posted by KingD19
They can sense Quicksilver all they want. Based on feats he moves so fast that they'd be statues and wouldn't even be in he process of registering to use the Force before he's zipping around like a cracked out cruise missile.

Quicksilver puts on his music, makes the Force Users fall onto their own sabers. Like all of them.

This is based on movie feats for Quicksilver going against force users. No, right because there is no integrated movie with the two.

I can accept him hitting them once even twice. There is no escape from force choke if he does not knock them out. Vader crush the metal and everything that was in the room except for Sidious when he found out his girl was dead. Just with an outcry of anger.

Simply put Vader gets pissed and crushes all of the X-Men bodies at once. The X-Men have absolutely no defense against force attacks. Unlike the X-Men the forces users do not have wait until the X-Men stay still in order to attack them.

The X-Men badasses (Mags, Xavier, etc.) have bigger and better feats than the Force adepts, but the upper tier Force adepts (Yoda, Sidious, etc.) still have the means to kill their opponents fairly quickly.

It all comes down, in my opinion, to who's quicker on the draw. Setting aside the debate pertaining to Xavier, Quicksilver's pretty damn fast.

Jedi/Sith have nothing to stop QS or Xavier.

Jedi/Sith die.

Lol, Vader can't do that on a whim. Whenever we see him use the Force, he has to focus on a single person.

And if he can see fired bullets basically stopped in mid air, he is multiple mach speed and easily fast enough to destroy any Force User before they can move. What you can accept doesn't matter based on screen feats.

And you can easily escape the Force if the Jedi is frozen in time while you're moving or if you're so fast they can't focus on you.

You're either trolling or delusional if you think Quicksilver can't solo as his hits at those speeds sent grown men flying and he was just joking around. If he was serious people would die from his hits.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Xavier kills all of the Force Users in both scenarios, with ease. There is no evidence that any of the force users have a resistance to Xavier's type of telepathy. If you guys want the Force Users to have immunity to Xavier's abilities, you're going to have to provide evidence that the Force Users have immunity to Xavier's powers. You guys are giving the Force Users abilities that they were not ever seen having.

Additionally, lol "Quicksilver."

Oh stop it. Haven't you had enough or do I have to teach you the errors of your ways again?

Sorry force greater than mutant telepathy. Try again.

Let me get this straight, Kotor started a spite thread against the Sidious in the other thread and now is arguing for a win for it in both?

Originally posted by KingD19
Lol, Vader can't do that on a whim. Whenever we see him use the Force, he has to focus on a single person.

To be fair, we see him crumple and crush durasteel in ROTS when he's fresh off the table. I have no doubt that he could crush ribcages of multiple fleshy targets.

The only question is whether he'd be able to pull it off in time.

We see him do that because Sidious tells him Padme is dead, and Anakin knows it's his fault because he choked her to death(in his mind). In his unadulterated rage, he lashed out. He's never done anything near that aside from that single instance.

But the answer to the question is no, he wouldn't be able to pull it off in time. He'd be stuck in time while Quicksilver presses every button on his chest and yanks his helmet off.

Originally posted by KingD19
We see him do that because Sidious tells him Padme is dead, and Anakin knows it's his fault because he choked her to death(in his mind). In his unadulterated rage, he lashed out. He's never done anything near that aside from that single instance.

As the thread creator, dadudemon is effectively Word of God and can adjudicate accordingly, but he did turn off CIS and whatnot per the OP. I'd argue that that means Vader has access to such power since he displayed the feat before.

Originally posted by KingD19
But the answer to the question is no, he wouldn't be able to pull it off in time. He'd be stuck in time while Quicksilver presses every button on his chest and yanks his helmet off.

Maybe. But the Force is pretty quick too and Quicksilver, for all his speed, doesn't have what it takes to withstand Vader's grip.

Originally posted by The_Tempest

Maybe. But the Force is pretty quick too and Quicksilver, for all his speed, doesn't have what it takes to withstand Vader's grip.

Wrong.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
As the thread creator, dadudemon is effectively Word of God and can adjudicate accordingly, but he did turn off CIS and whatnot per the OP. I'd argue that that means Vader has access to such power since he displayed the feat before.

Maybe. But the Force is pretty quick too and Quicksilver, for all his speed, doesn't have what it takes to withstand Vader's grip.

He doesn't need to, with his speed the other side will all be dead before they even realize that he moved.

CIS doesn't mean Vader doesn't have that power. And CIS Off doesn't mean he does have it.

He only displayed Force Crush in the movies when he was certain he'd murdered his wife on top of betraying all of his friends, killing a bunch of kids that looked up to him, and having the only family he had in Obi-Wan cutting him up and leaving him to die. He can't just summon those spur of the moment feelings and use it whenever he wants.

And the speed of the Force isn't up for debate, it's the speed of the people wielding it. And those people are statues to Quicksilver. Before Vader can take a breath, Quicksilver has destroyed him. That's how fast he is and we all know it. There's no point in arguing against the truth.

Oh, and since his body has to resist speeds that would basically destroy a human body without some type of protection(being in a jet), he's pretty damn durable.

Originally posted by KingD19
Lol, Vader can't do that on a whim. Whenever we see him use the Force, he has to focus on a single person.

I get it, anytime a comment comes up in favor of the force users you like dadudemon find something faulty about it.

Originally posted by KingD19
And if he can see fired bullets basically stopped in mid air, he is multiple mach speed and easily fast enough to destroy any Force User before they can move. What you can accept doesn't matter based on screen feats.

And you can easily escape the Force if the Jedi is frozen in time while you're moving or if you're so fast they can't focus on you.

You're either trolling or delusional if you think Quicksilver can't solo as his hits at those speeds sent grown men flying and he was just joking around. If he was serious people would die from his hits.

The force that enables a user to see future events that allows users to block lasers and fight machines that move much faster than the body, won’t be able to sense Quicksilver.

No your eagerness to diminished the abilities of the force to support your argument is delusional at best.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Let me get this straight, Kotor started a spite thread against the Sidious in the other thread and now is arguing for a win for it in both?

Wrong I was always on Sidious side.

You think the Force is like Phoenix force, you are wrong. It does not work that way, you have lied and exaggerated all force feats.