Force Users vs. X-men (unbiased and clean)

Originally posted by Kotor3
One Sith could force choke all of them simultaneously.

Yeah... when people start spewing nonsense like this is when I start ignoring them. Not even going to bother with the rest of your post other than saying, yes, Quicksilver can and will KO them while they are still busy trying to register his presence. 7 Full strength punches to the face at his speed and 7 KO'd (if not killed) force users.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah... when people start spewing nonsense like this is when I start ignoring them.

Damn, I never saw that one. Good call.

Again making up lies about non existent feats.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah... when people start spewing nonsense like this is when I start ignoring them. Not even going to bother with the rest of your post other than saying, yes, Quicksilver can and will KO them while they are still busy trying to register his presence. 7 Full strength punches to the face at his speed and 7 KO'd (if not killed) force users.

Indeed.

Just ignore the trolls. No need to put them on ignore but there's no reason to entertain shit posts.

When someone argues that Sidious can take on all the X-Men at once, you know its trolling.

Full punches will kill them. Small taps were sending people flying and a wedgie launched a guy into the ceiling. Even simply running past a hallway full of guards launched them all into the air from the force he exerted. A full punch would probably explode something.

And Quicksilver is indeed faster than that as liquid was frozen in place and bullets were standing still after being fired. He even casually tapped them out of place so Xavier and Magneto wouldn't get shot.

Originally posted by dadudemon
http://askabiologist.asu.edu/explore/nervous-journey

150 m/s is how fast their thoughts would work.

Does Quicksilver mover faster than 150m/s?

This doesn't account for the Force Users' Battle Precog.

Edit - As I have calced before, 5 sources of blaster bolts, each bolt moving between 200-400 MPH, is enough to overwhelm the battle precog of a Jedi Master.

To be generous, if Quicksilver is faster than 5x400Mph, then, yes, he is even faster than the "thoughts" and battle precog abilities of the Force Users.

Hmm, fair enough.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Hmm, fair enough.

That point is not yet done: don't concede the Quicksilver argument to them, just yet. The burden is still on the Quicksilver supporters to show that Quicksilver can move faster than 2000MPH (5*400MPH).

If they can prove that, then, yes, Quicksilver can blitz a Jedi Master or a Sith Lord.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That point is not yet done: don't concede the Quicksilver argument to them, just yet. The burden is still on the Quicksilver supporters to show that Quicksilver can move faster than 2000MPH (5*400MPH).

If they can prove that, then, yes, Quicksilver can blitz a Jedi Master or a Sith Lord.

Per the kitchen scene QS is well into the double digit mach speed, IOW well over 7,700 MPH

Originally posted by Silent Master
Per the kitchen scene QS is well into the double digit mach speed, IOW well over 7,700 MPH

Where was this proven other than on Outskirts Battledome (because their calcs are almost always shit)?

YouTube video

Quicksilver showing off. And as shown, he can go even faster within his original super speed. Because he's just jogging and screwing around most of the time.

How many forums are you guys on, holy shit.

Also because it was shown he can vibrate fast enough to shatter glass, there's a potential he can phase through solid matter(but I'm not betting heavy on that since he doesn't really need it, and it wasn't shown)

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes there is. All Cerebro does is enhance Xavier's powers to be able to hit a larger area of influence.

This means a non-Cerebro using Xavier can kill people with his mind (but he never chooses to do so due to CIS) in his area of influence.

Cerebro expands these abilities to be world-wide. We don't know how far reaching Xavier's are without Cerebro. By feats, the furthest he exerted absolute control was in a mall full of people. So we can assume that that is his maximum area of influence but we cannot assume it is any less. We might be able to make a case for it being much greater but that would be speculation. I am not willing to entertain the possibility that Xavier cannot kill people with his mind inside his area of influence. That's just asinine gimping/trolling on other people's parts.

Cerebro only enhances range and not intensity? I thought it enhanced both.

A reminder, though: in X2: X-Men United, even Cerebro-empowered Xavier fails to kill his proximate targets with any degree of expediency. Mystique was on her knees outside the door but didn't keel over dead.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Where was this proven other than on Outskirts Battledome (because their calcs are almost always shit)?

Take a look at the clip, it took the bullets over a minute to cross the room, now compare that to how long it would actually take bullets to cover that distance. my number of 7,700 MPH is massively lowballing the speed.

And keep in mind, it took the bullets that long when he was in "jog" mode. We don't see him go full speed(or at least faster than the majority of the time) except in short bursts where he'd essentially teleport while already going super speed. Imagine if he'd been going full bore the entire time?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Many of you nerds have been trying to hide behind various shitty arguments that amount to mostly just petty word games and mostly baseless claims about character's powers. Well, too bad. This thread prevents that.

This thread includes any movie version of the characters I've listed. No more gimping or restricting character powers with shitty arguments.

Here are the teams:

X-men:
Xavier (any feats from any of the movies)
Magneto
Cyclops
Jean Gray (no Phoenix powers)
Wolverine
Quicksilver
Emma Frost

Force Users:
Darth Sidious
Yoda
Kit Fisto
Ki Adi Mundi
Anakin Skywalker (to include any iteration including pre and post-Suit Vader)
Luke Skywalker
Mace Windu

Scenario 1:
Xavier gets access to a fully functional Cerebro and all X-men are in or around the Cerebro chamber. The Jedi infiltrate the mansion and they are after the X-men. They must kill all the X-men to prevent what they think is an apocalypse. Jedi morals are turned off: they will go for the best and most efficient kills. Assume Cerebro does not work on non-humans (Kit, Ki, and Yoda).

Scenario 2:
They meet across each other in the Stadium that Magneto collected in Days of Future Path. Both teams are in the field but at exact opposite ends from one another. Same as Scenario 1: CIS is turned off and characters will go for the kills.

To compromise on the adamantium arguments: pretend Wolverin's adamantium cannot be cut with strikes and slashes but it can be slowly melted through if the saber's blade is held against the metal for an extended period of time (almost like the Jedi against the blast doors in Phantom Menace). Wolverine can be slowly chopped to pieces if he's not careful.

Notice how my thread is constructed to include all movies the characters appear in and it does not restrict any powers? Not how the thread also says CIS is off so "in-character" arguments cannot be made? Yeah, this needs to be done more often instead of the shitty troll threads I see popping up.

Scenario 2: Quicksilver blitzes the holy shit out of them instantly, or Cyclops takes off his visor and blasts all of them to shit with a beam too big to block with a lightsaber.

Basically, Quicksilver solos all around. Almost seems like spite, but there are people actually arguing for the SWs team apparently.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah... when people start spewing nonsense like this is when I start ignoring them. Not even going to bother with the rest of your post other than saying, yes, Quicksilver can and will KO them while they are still busy trying to register his presence. 7 Full strength punches to the face at his speed and 7 KO'd (if not killed) force users.

Nonsense. You know what I consider non-sense is someone saying that Xavier rapes other multiple telepaths all at once with ease. Or that someone moves so fast they cannot be sense through the force.

I cannot be serious when people post comments like that with no proof. Sidious has the ability to force choke everyone. Will he do so, or get the chance mostly likely not.

Yes, i recognize Quicksilver can kill them. I already stated that. But do you recognize that he can be killed with the force if he does not take out the force users promptly?

The proof that QS is way too fast for the Jedi to handle has already been posted, you're just ignoring it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The proof that QS is way too fast for the Jedi to handle has already been posted, you're just ignoring it.

EDIT: Cracked actually posted an article today that linked to this Wired article. In it, Rhett Alain calculated (using the movie) that Quicksilver was traveling at a high-end speed of 9091 m/s, or at a low-end speed of 4091 m/s.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
A reminder, though: in X2: X-Men United, even Cerebro-empowered Xavier fails to kill his proximate targets with any degree of expediency. Mystique was on her knees outside the door but didn't keel over dead.

I do concede that this is a good point. We cannot know if a more local/concentrated dose of his "kill" power is any faster (no Cerebro, only Xavier). It is possible it takes far longer to kill 7 billion people (or millions of mutants) than it does just 4-10 people. We just don't know. There is nothing to suggest it would be any shorter.

Force users, and I was sure to choose the best from the movies, should be able to still be at least partially functional due to their training, while Xavier is killing them. I don't see why they couldn't at least pull-off a force push or pull while getting their brain liquefied.