This is idiotic.
Look, irrefutable proof:
"What is known is that following the flight of Naga Sadow, the Emperor came to Korriban, gathered the remaining lords of the Sith and took them back with him to Nathema. There they conducted a ritual that extended the Emperor's life at the cost of the lives of more than eight thousand Sith Lords." - TOR codex.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Why would Vitiate try to create the largest nexus of the darkside.... then never use it's power and forbid all mention of it? Whats the point?He performed the ritual to absorb everything on Nathema to increase his power and grant him immortality. The ritual did that. Not Vitiate by himself. Thats why he did the ritual. Do you understand?
Also, your bottom statement makes no sense. Ritual itself does nothing, it is a method to unleash power of the dark side. Basically Force-user is doing everything, ritual is his method to unleash the power of the dark side.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So you are asserting that he used the power of nexus of the dark side established to consume all biota in Nathema?Also, your bottom statement makes no sense. Ritual itself does nothing, it is a method to unleash power of the dark side. Basically Force-user is doing everything, ritual is his method to unleash the power of the dark side.
Not really. The ritual allowed Vitiate to accomplish something he otherwise would've been unable to.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
from Wookieepedia's article on Nathema:Every living thing on Nathema was instantly killed by the Ritual of Nathema, and the planet became a barren wasteland devoid even of droids and technology as Vitiate, now known as the Sith Emperor, hid his past and the hyperspace routes to Nathema from his newly reconstituted Empire
Now, from the article on The Ritual of Nathema:
The Ritual of Nathema was the name given by historians of the reconstituted Sith Empire to the event in 4999 BBY, in which the Sith Lord Vitiate performed a dark ritual that stripped the Force itself from the entire planet of Nathema. While Imperial historians saw it as one of the greatest achievements in the history of the Old Sith Empire, the Ritual was actually the result of Vitiate's mental enslavement of over eight thousand Sith Lords. He forced them to participate in the Sith magic that killed every living thing on Nathema and rendered himself immortal.
Emperor Vitiate consumed all biota of Nathema using either;
1. His own power
2. Drawing on the power of the largest nexus of the dark side ever created during the ritual
Ritual didn't automatically fed him.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So you are asserting that he used the power of nexus of the dark side established to consume all biota in Nathema?Also, your bottom statement makes no sense. Ritual itself does nothing, it is a method to unleash power of the dark side. Basically Force-user is doing everything, ritual is his method to unleash the power of the dark side.
No, the nexus was created when he consumed all biota on Nathema using the ritual.
And the ritual was fueled by the power of 8000 Sith Lords, not just Vitiates own power. Get it?
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
Not really. The ritual allowed Vitiate to accomplish something he otherwise would've been unable to.
Ritual is a method used to unleash power of the dark side, just like from a gesture. What is a ritual? Meditation.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
These statements are wrong.Emperor Vitiate consumed all biota of Nathema using either;
1. His own power
2. Drawing on the power of the largest nexus of the dark side ever created during the ritualRitual didn't automatically fed him.
I'm not saying the ritual did automatically feed him, but the conclusion is pretty obvious:
Vitiate need the Sith Lords so he could increase his power and perform the ritual, which had the side effect of turning the planet desolate.
Originally posted by Nephthys
This is idiotic.Look, irrefutable proof:
"What is known is that following the flight of Naga Sadow, the Emperor came to Korriban, gathered the remaining lords of the Sith and took them back with him to Nathema. There they conducted a ritual that extended the Emperor's life at the cost of the lives of more than eight thousand Sith Lords." - TOR codex.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Bro, ritual is not an entity that does stuff by itself.Ritual is a method used to unleash power of the dark side, just like from a gesture. What is a ritual? Meditation.
Ok, I think something's getting lost in translation. The ritual is not an entitity, but it damn sure is more than meditaion. It was a dark ceremony that, when completed, would drain all life and the Force from the planet, making it desolate in the process.
Btw, let's skip the "bro" thing, please.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, the nexus was created when he consumed all biota on Nathema using the ritual.And the ritual was fueled by the power of 8000 Sith Lords, not just Vitiates own power. Get it?
But you need to understand this:
Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
Clearly, this is action of one individual and that is Emperor Vitiate.
This is the entire description:
The ritual lasted ten days. Lord Vitiate orchestrated the sorcery and the planet Mediraas was consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see. When the ritual ended, Lord Vitiate emerged as the only survivor. The pain, energy, and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and would prolong his life for centuries. The lifeless planet of Mediraas became a void in the Force and was erased from history. From that moment forward, the world would forever be known as Nathema, birthplace of the one and only Sith Emperor. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
1. Emperor Vitiate orchestrated the ritual.
2. Ritual lasted 10 days straight.
3. Largest nexus of the dark side (ever) was produced during the ritual.
4. When the ritual ended, Emperor was the sole survivor.
5. Emperor basically consumed all biota of Nathema to fuel his power and achieve corporeal immortality.
My focus is on no. 5 only.
Originally posted by Nephthys
This is idiotic.Look, irrefutable proof:
"What is known is that following the flight of Naga Sadow, the Emperor came to Korriban, gathered the remaining lords of the Sith and took them back with him to Nathema. There they conducted a ritual that extended the Emperor's life at the cost of the lives of more than eight thousand Sith Lords." - TOR codex.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I fully understand that ritual was performed with combined might of 8000 Sith Lords.But you need to understand this:
Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
Clearly, this is action of one individual and that is Emperor Vitiate.
This is the entire description:
The ritual lasted ten days. Lord Vitiate orchestrated the sorcery and the planet Mediraas was consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see. When the ritual ended, Lord Vitiate emerged as the only survivor. The pain, energy, and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and would prolong his life for centuries. The lifeless planet of Mediraas became a void in the Force and was erased from history. From that moment forward, the world would forever be known as Nathema, birthplace of the one and only Sith Emperor. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
1. Emperor Vitiate orchestrated the ritual.
2. Ritual lasted 10 days straight
3. Largest nexus of the dark side ever was produced during the ritual
4. When the ritual ended, Emperor was the sole survivor.
5. Emperor basically consumed all biota of Nathema to fuel his power and achieve corporeal immortality.My focus is on no. 5 only.
Number 5 is where you're wrong, though. The planet was desolated, due to the effects of the ritual Vitiate led, but not by Vitiate, himself. He still needed 8000 other Sith Lords and a 10 day ritual to achieve something Nihilus could do at will.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I fully understand that ritual was performed with combined might of 8000 Sith Lords.But you need to understand this:
Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
Clearly, this is action of one individual and that is Emperor Vitiate.
This is the entire description:
The ritual lasted ten days. Lord Vitiate orchestrated the sorcery and the planet Mediraas was consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see. When the ritual ended, Lord Vitiate emerged as the only survivor. The pain, energy, and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and would prolong his life for centuries. The lifeless planet of Mediraas became a void in the Force and was erased from history. From that moment forward, the world would forever be known as Nathema, birthplace of the one and only Sith Emperor. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
1. Emperor Vitiate orchestrated the ritual.
2. Ritual lasted 10 days straight
3. Largest nexus of the dark side ever was produced during the ritual
4. When the ritual ended, Emperor was the sole survivor.
5. Emperor basically consumed all biota of Nathema to fuel his power and achieve corporeal immortality.My focus is on no. 5 only.
You shouldn't focus only on no. 5 since all these things are linked.
My quote proves that it was the ritual that drained everyone. Thank you for supplying the necessary support.
"There they conducted a ritual that extended the Emperor's life at the cost of the lives of more than eight thousand Sith Lords." - TOR codex.
"The pain, energy, and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and would prolong his life for centuries." - Swtore.
Translation: The ritual extended Vitiates life and his life was extended by draining all the energy on the planet. Ergo, the ritual drained all the biota on the planet.
This was the action of many individuals.
Picking and choosing among statements is not going to resolve this matter. It is important to understand what a ritual is and what Emperor Vitiate did. Deliberately ignoring some official statements is not the correct way to debate.
There they conducted a ritual that extended the Emperor's life at the cost of the lives of more than eight thousand Sith Lords.
This is just semantics. Yes, Emperor achieved corporeal immortality in the aftermath of ritual of Nathema, however, he consumed entire biota on Nathema to achieve this.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Picking and choosing among statements is not going to resolve this matter.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh man the irony!
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is important to understand what a ritual is and what Emperor Vitiate did. Deliberately ignoring some official statements is not the correct way to debate.There they conducted a ritual that extended the Emperor's life at the cost of the lives of more than eight thousand Sith Lords.
This is just semantics. Yes, Emperor achieved corporeal immortality in the aftermath of ritual of Nathema, however, he consumed entire biota on Nathema to achieve this.
The statements you're relying on are those of fallible characters like Nyriss and Scourge. My statement comes from the codex and is more reliable than their opinions.
Yes he did. He consumed it with the ritual. 🙂
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
There they conducted a ritual that extended the Emperor's life at the cost of the lives of more than eight thousand Sith Lords.This is just semantics. Yes, Emperor achieved corporeal immortality in the aftermath of ritual of Nathema, however, he consumed entire biota on Nathema to achieve this.
The first statement proves that the ritual was more than just something akin to meditation, like you tried to say.
As far as the second statement, Vitiate didn't personally absorb and consume all the biota on Nathema. It was an effect of the ritual he led.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You shouldn't focus only on no. 5 since all these things are linked.My quote proves that it was the ritual that drained everyone. Thank you for supplying the necessary support.
"There they conducted a ritual that extended the Emperor's life at the cost of the lives of more than eight thousand Sith Lords." - TOR codex.
"The pain, energy, and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and would prolong his life for centuries." - Swtore.
Translation: The ritual extended Vitiates life and his life was extended by draining all the energy on the planet. Ergo, the ritual drained all the biota on the planet.
This was the action of many individuals.
Now read this:-
Lord Vitiate takes command of the Sith Empire, now in shambles following the Great Hyperspace War. He executes the Sith Council and consumes the life force of thousands of Sith Lords in a terrifying ritual that extends his life and vastly increases his capacity as a practitioner of the Force. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
&
Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
Other Sith Lords did not perform Force Drain, only Emperor did.
Originally posted by Nephthys
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh man the irony!The statements you're relying on are those of fallible characters like Nyriss and Scourge. My statement comes from the codex and is more reliable than their opinions.
Yes he did. He consumed it with the ritual. 🙂
See above.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
The first statement proves that the ritual was more than just something akin to meditation, like you tried to say.As far as the second statement, Vitiate didn't personally absorb and consume all the biota on Nathema. It was an effect of the ritual he led.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It was a complex event that that codex entry does not covers properly. Once again, picking and choosing among official statements is not the correct way to debate.Now read this:-
Lord Vitiate takes command of the Sith Empire, now in shambles following the Great Hyperspace War. He executes the Sith Council and consumes the life force of thousands of Sith Lords in a terrifying ritual that extends his life and vastly increases his capacity as a practitioner of the Force. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Dude, this just says the same thing my quote does. That Vitiate consumed the life force of the Sith with the ritual.
Just ****in' concede man. I annihilated you. 😬