Originally posted by Selenial
Yes, it's retarded, because it's contradicted by literally every source of Canon that's ever dealt with the intricacies of the Force.And again, he didn't use both, it was Oneness. It's almost the exact same phrase as when Jacen Solo (Was it Jacen? Foggy memory, might have been Anakin) achieved Oneness.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And where have this been stated?I have re-checked all information again to make certain that I am not getting anything wrong about this matter.
8000 Sith Lords agreed to partake in the ritual orchestrated by Emperor Vitiate, they produced the largest nexus of the dark side ever with their combined might. But they had no intention of dying. Emperor Vitiate telepathically subjugated them initially and then devoured them afterwards with his own capabilities.
As pointed out earlier;
Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
How Emperor Vitiate would call on the dark side to perform a specific action while he is already supposedly doing so in the ritual? Makes no sense.
And the Sith Lords were driven by fear. Many thought the Jedi would soon wipe them all out. They were desperate for anything they could use as a weapon against the servants of the light side. Lord Vitiate played upon these fears, convincing those who answered his call to set aside their suspicions of him and of one another to join in a single glorious cause. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
This was Emperor's agenda. Ritual was just a ruse to gather so many Sith Lords in one place so he would consume them in a single attempt without fighting them.
Emperor basically destroyed the planet, ritual didn't:
Scourge finally understood why Nyriss and the others wanted to take the Emperor down. Destroying your enemies—even destroying a planet— was understandable. But this wasn't simple destruction. It was annihilation; obliteration. The very fabric of the Force had been shredded. Anyone capable of turning an entire planet into a nihilistic abomination had to be completely mad. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
Ritual only caused this:
The ritual lasted ten days. Lord Vitiate orchestrated the sorcery and the planet Mediraas was consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Emperor fueled his power by consuming all biota in the planet, this is how he became stronger then ever before and achieved corporeal immortality:
When the ritual ended, Lord Vitiate emerged as the only survivor. The pain, energy, and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and would prolong his life for centuries. The lifeless planet of Mediraas became a void in the Force and was erased from history. From that moment forward, the world would forever be known as Nathema, birthplace of the one and only Sith Emperor. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
I don't understand typing up all this for something we all know. Once again, you are completely ignoring/missing the point.
He had to complete a ritual with 8000 Sith Lords to do what Nihilus can do in a moment. This is the difference.
Not only did he need a ritual, but it was the "the most complex ritual of Sith sorcery ever attempted"!
I don't like repeating myself multiple times, though I don't get why you cannot merely accept this fact and move on.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
2. Yeah, so basically substitute hunger for Force Wound and that's what I said.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I don't understand typing up all this for something we all know. Once again, you are completely ignoring/missing the point.
He had to complete a ritual with 8000 Sith Lords to do what Nihilus can do in a moment. This is the difference.
Not only did he need a ritual, but it was the "the most complex ritual of Sith sorcery ever attempted"!
I don't like repeating myself multiple times, though I don't get why you cannot merely accept this fact and move on.
Of-course, Emperor did not produce largest nexus of the dark side on his own accord, this was achieved with combined might of 8000 Sith Lords. However, my point is that Emperor consumed the entire biota of Nathema on his own accord, this was his agenda, he didn't want to fight 8000 Sith Lords, ritual would provide safety blanket and keep Sith Lords busy.
Once they arrived on Nathema, they quickly fell under Lord Vitiate's control. He dominated their minds, crushed their resistance. He turned them into slaves to his will, forcing them to participate in the most complex ritual of Sith sorcery ever attempted. Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
Clearly, two different actions have been performed. Ritual was about one action only and that was creation of largest nexus of the dark side ever:
The ritual lasted ten days. Lord Vitiate orchestrated the sorcery and the planet Mediraas was consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
[B]I understand that. Everyone understands that.
That doesn't put him above Darth Nihilus.abilities. [/B]
You confused the purpose of ritual with Emperor's feat of consuming entire biota of Nathema with his own power.
Evidently, Emperor matched Nihilus in this talent.
"A thousand years ago, the Emperor tricked an entire Sith world into aiding a dark ritual. He promised great power. Only for himself, of course. The ritual consumed every living thing on the planet. He absorbed those life essences through the Force."
―Lord Scourge (Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan)
He used the ritual to consume the planet's life. He didn't do that himself.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"A thousand years ago, the Emperor tricked an entire Sith world into aiding a dark ritual. He promised great power. Only for himself, of course. The ritual consumed every living thing on the planet. He absorbed those life essences through the Force."
―Lord Scourge (Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan)He used the ritual to consume the planet's life. He didn't do that himself.
Ritual was performed to create the largest nexus of the dark side ever. However, Emperor Vitiate consumed the entire biota of Nathema on his own accord to achieve corporeal immortality.
Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
from Wookieepedia's article on Nathema:
Every living thing on Nathema was instantly killed by the Ritual of Nathema, and the planet became a barren wasteland devoid even of droids and technology as Vitiate, now known as the Sith Emperor, hid his past and the hyperspace routes to Nathema from his newly reconstituted Empire
Now, from the article on The Ritual of Nathema:
The Ritual of Nathema was the name given by historians of the reconstituted Sith Empire to the event in 4999 BBY, in which the Sith Lord Vitiate performed a dark ritual that stripped the Force itself from the entire planet of Nathema. While Imperial historians saw it as one of the greatest achievements in the history of the Old Sith Empire, the Ritual was actually the result of Vitiate's mental enslavement of over eight thousand Sith Lords. He forced them to participate in the Sith magic that killed every living thing on Nathema and rendered himself immortal.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
His account is contradicted by Darth Nyriss and SWTOR(E).Ritual was performed to create the largest nexus of the dark side ever. However, Emperor Vitiate consumed the entire biota of Nathema on his own accord to achieve corporeal immortality.
Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
Why would Vitiate try to create the largest nexus of the darkside.... then never use it's power and forbid all mention of it? Whats the point?
He performed the ritual to absorb everything on Nathema to increase his power and grant him immortality. The ritual did that. Not Vitiate by himself. Thats why he did the ritual. Do you understand?