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Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

...pretty much any hero you can name becomes significantly more powerful when they get pissed and start lusting blood--superman is certainly not unique in that regard. that said, if a bloodlusted shazam fought a bloodlusted superman in a comic, i have absolutely no doubt they'd still be portrayed as near-equals, with superman ultimately gaining the edge after a hard-earned battle.

but if a bloodlusted supes fought shazam in his normal/peaceful mindset? yeah, he'd obviously smoke him.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't see how the eclipso fight is useful, especially considering mind controlled characters don't count much (like sacrifice) and the fact that we have OWAW and the fact that CM struggled with a boat.
Anyway, under normal circumstances (mental blocks) superman and marvel are near equals in strength. No one is arguing this. But when the mental blocks come off (OWAW or DOS) then Superman is significantly stronger.
For example, if OWAW Superman hit CM with the same shots he was one shotting those probes with then he would kill CM in one attack.

What durability fts of Captain Marvel's make you think Superman could one shot kill Marvel. Also, Eclipso had full access to Superman powers (in some cases Eclipso actually amps the character that is possessed by it) and wasn't pulling his punches WHILE inhabiting Superman's body. If that fight isn't proof enough that Superman and CM are peers than you are illusional. CM stalemated Superman in strength almost every time in that fight.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Galan007
"Superman beat the shit out of Cap"..? what a hilariously biased exaggeration of the truth.
taking into consideration the mid-battle cut-scenes and whatnot, the battle you posted lasted nearly an entire friggin' issue, and superman only gained any sort of clear advantage on the very last page--prior to that, they were stalemating. essentially, all those scans do is prove what most have been saying this entire time: they are peers/near-equals, with the advantage ultimately swaying toward superman. if they *weren't* peers/near-equals, the battle wouldn't have lasted nearly as long.

Superman did exactly what I said. As a matter of fact, just before Superman punched Cap and had him on his mercy, Superman was weakened by sunlight. And Cap had to be hospitalized and Fire said it was a wonder that he was still alive.

So yeah, almost killing Captain Marvel=beating the shit out of him. Superman went on to take on a team consisting of two teams of JLA and LEGION. While hiding from sunlight for weeks.

His "equal" was nearly killed and had to be hospitalized. Go cap!!!

Originally posted by Galan007
👆 superman v2 #216:
http://i.imgur.com/81dSlSi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NLDpE9C.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UnVfIDF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/efpmdfF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yHHYNEQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gxerDl2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gHlYnsU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BYevMwo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xtxyzCN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/L5Ua7Ch.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BpQTorh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8KLNG91.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Qn3ambT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0PsArD2.jpg
even though shazam was clearly pulling his punches, and had no desire to harm supes, they were still portrayed as peers.

Superman threw a ship casually with *one hand* and Cap had to struggle to just slow it down. Also Eclipso had no intention of killing Cap as it wanted his body due to its magical nature. In fact Shazam has pwned Cap with casual ease while Superman went on to tank several *magical* blasts from him after tanking several shazam bolts aka *entirety of Cap's power*. I would say Superman looked better than Cap after all.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Billy would have been knocked out by being judo flipped face first into the moon?

Considering Mon-El was repeatedly stated to be more powerful than Superman and every hero present?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16741144/Eclipso_Special-02-15.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16741145/Eclipso_Special-02-16.jpg.html

Unless you think Cap was stronger than Superman there.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
Per this scan, Captain Marvel was holding back and still caught Superman punch.
http://i.imgur.com/UnVfIDF.jpg

While using magical lightning which weakens Superman as Cap just two pages later.

But this shows Superman's one hand throw and Cap shitting his pants to stop the same ship while aided by his flight .

Superman>Cap.

😄

Delta1938 True King of House of El

Originally posted by Galan007
👆 superman v2 #216:
http://i.imgur.com/81dSlSi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NLDpE9C.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UnVfIDF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/efpmdfF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yHHYNEQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gxerDl2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gHlYnsU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BYevMwo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xtxyzCN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/L5Ua7Ch.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BpQTorh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8KLNG91.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Qn3ambT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0PsArD2.jpg
even though shazam was clearly pulling his punches, and had no desire to harm supes, they were still portrayed as peers.

CAPTAIN MARVEL, not Shazam, was pulling his punches, but as was Eclipsoed Superman, since Eclipso wanted Billy as a host and was trying to get him angry.

Originally posted by carver9
Eclipso prefers Captain Marvel body over Supermans. 👆
Superman was amazed at the power Captain Marvel possessed.
🙂

Most posters I would think are just trolling, but I really do think you're this dense.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Billy would have been knocked out by being judo flipped face first into the moon?

Billy wouldn't even survive that. He's a teenage human.

Originally posted by catver9
Per this scan, Captain Marvel was holding back and still caught Superman punch.
http://i.imgur.com/UnVfIDF.jpg

Originally posted by carter9
Also, Captain Marvel is matching Superman's strength here to a stand still.
http://i.imgur.com/efpmdfF.jpg

I love how you yet again miss Cap Zeus-Amping. You're really, REALLY bad at this. Just like your argument for Superman having a "small" strength advantage over Wonder Woman. That reminds me Kitty-Cat, still waiting for your response in the Superman vs Wonder Woman thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They are about as even as it gets in strength. Superman isn't atop the physical mountain but instead an equal to marvel in the dc universe. Ironically his name is marvel.

I wonder how much debt urine for those special classes.

Originally posted by carver9
👆
During that entire fight Marvel matched his strength and this was a Superman that was trying to kill him whereas Marvel was holding back. Don't know how much evidence is needed that they are equals.

Originally posted by quanchi112
To me that shows Marvel had the advantage in this instance since Superman went all out.

Originally posted by carver9
👆
I was going to save that for later once someone said they are not equals based off that fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In of a Superman superior to he Superman was still a peer to that Captain Marvel. Marvel's powers don't increase with continued sun exposure so you can see where I am going here.

It's awesomely hilarious how you two have been reduced to cheerleading each other over a conclusion that omits context. I don't know which one of you is dumb and which is dumber.

Diesldude Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8

Anyway, under normal circumstances (mental blocks) superman and marvel are near equals in strength. No one is arguing this. But when the mental blocks come off (OWAW or DOS) then Superman is significantly stronger.
For example, if OWAW Superman hit CM with the same shots he was one shotting those probes with then he would kill CM in one attack.

👆

JBL Wrestling God

So, superman has mental blocks that keeps him from using hidden strength or his full strength? Yet, he has went all out by writers words, narrations, his own words and other characters words, also, superman has been powered up and admitted that he was stronger than before??? So he was talking about the strength he had minus his mental block removed strength?? Do superman even know that he has mental blocks? I mean if he had all this hidden strength, why not use it in his thousands of close fights? But if he had this extra strength from removing mental blocks, how come no writer will admit this? How come the many characters that have taken over supermans body or merged with him fail to sense this hidden strength? Does sun-amping somehow push his hidden strength aside???? OR..... is it the fact that there is nothing there to use. Who gave superman hidden strength? His fans or his writers?

Delta1938 True King of House of El

Originally posted by JBL
So, superman has mental blocks that keeps him from using hidden strength or his full strength? Yet, he has went all out by writers words, narrations, his own words and other characters words, also, superman has been powered up and admitted that he was stronger than before??? So he was talking about the strength he had minus his mental block removed strength?? Do superman even know that he has mental blocks? I mean if he had all this hidden strength, why not use it in his thousands of close fights? But if he had this extra strength from removing mental blocks, how come no writer will admit this? How come the many characters that have taken over supermans body or merged with him fail to sense this hidden strength? Does sun-amping somehow push his hidden strength aside???? OR..... is it the fact that there is nothing there to use. Who gave superman hidden strength? His fans or his writers?

Considering all of your "arguments" are either a series of ignorant ranting about what you THINK the comics are despite your lack of reading Superman that you attempt to dress up with style over substance(and fail) that kinda looks like an angry chimp pounding on a keyboard, or on the rare occasions your arguments have anything that remotely looks like evidence is simply you poorly parroting the arguments other people make, yet you still come on and act like you own everybody, either you're on gluttonously masochistic troll, or you're denser than a point singularity.

JBL Wrestling God

Originally posted by Delta1938
Considering all of your "arguments" are either a series of ignorant ranting about what you THINK the comics are despite your lack of reading Superman that you attempt to dress up with style over substance(and fail) that kinda looks like an angry chimp pounding on a keyboard, or on the rare occasions your arguments have anything that remotely looks like evidence is simply you poorly parroting the arguments other people make, yet you still come on and act like you own everybody, either you're on gluttonously masochistic troll, or you're denser than a point singularity.

Anger filled concession accepted.

Delta1938 True King of House of El

Originally posted by JBL
Anger filled concession accepted.

👆 You got me. /sarcasm

So, are you going to take my challenge to debate New Earth Superman's dynamic powers? Nobody will pollute the thread, and I'll even be nice and drop the loser is banned for a month since you're afraid of that.

JBL Wrestling God

Originally posted by Delta1938
👆 You got me. /sarcasm
So, are you going to take my challenge to debate New Earth Superman's dynamic powers? Nobody will pollute the thread, and I'll even be nice and drop the loser is banned for a month since you're afraid of that.

I have a better idea. I think i will ask the writer himself and see what he says. Stay tuned.

Delta1938 True King of House of El

Originally posted by JBL
I have a better idea. I think i will ask the writer himself and see what he says. Stay tuned.

If I can provide a writer saying his strength is dynamic, what will you say?

Prof. T.C McAbe Kryptonian Scientist

BTW, Superman when possesed fights for control and is kind of weakened. I read this once but dunno remember where, does anyone have a clue?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman did exactly what I said. As a matter of fact, just before Superman punched Cap and had him on his mercy, Superman was weakened by sunlight. And Cap had to be hospitalized and Fire said it was a wonder that he was still alive.
http://i.imgur.com/L74sYHh.jpg
So yeah, almost killing Captain Marvel=beating the shit out of him.

billy wasn't even KO'd in the wake of his battle with superman, and was even back up a few pages later:
http://i.imgur.com/O4IvriL.jpg
"injured"? sure. "almost killed"? absolutely not. you'll also note that billy states the following: "[Superman] was a lot tougher than I thought he would be. He fought a lot more SAVAGELY with Eclipso in him." ie. supes was bloodlusted, billy was not. 🙂

so again, that battle proves exactly what i've been saying: superman and shazam are near-equals, with superman ultimately gaining the advantage. if supes was vastly superior, as some have tried to claim, their battle wouldn't have lasted nearly an entire issue. 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman went on to take on a team consisting of two teams of JLA and LEGION. While hiding from sunlight for weeks

not sure why you posted those unrelated superman-wank scans...they just make shazam look better. 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman>Cap. 😄

this has never been in question. don't know why you perpetually feel the urge to reiterate it..?

Originally posted by abhilegend
His "equal" was nearly killed and had to be hospitalized. Go cap!!!

*FIRSTLY, shazam wasn't 'nearly killed'--that is a massive exaggeration of the truth. typically characters who are 'nearly killed' are ktfo and don't get back up in the very same issue a few pages later.
*SECONDLY, if you're going to quote me, please do so CORRECTLY. i never once said that superman and shazam are "equals"--"NEAR-equals" is the terminology i have consistently used. simple, no? 🙂

Originally posted by abhilegend
But this shows Superman's one hand throw and Cap shitting his pants to stop the same ship while aided by his flight .
http://i.imgur.com/yHHYNEQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gxerDl2.jpg
Superman>Cap.
😄

shazam says: "NO", and that somehow equates to him "shitting his pants" in your world? lol. facepalm

furthermore, that 'logic' is terrible. are you aware that the mass of a body increases relative to its velocity? so given the speed at which supes appeared to throw that ship, and the added mass it would've gained by proxy, pretty much ANY top-tier out there would have had to exert themselves to physically stop it. shazam doing so in 5 panels is actually quite impressive. 🙂

...but using that showing as proof that superman>shazam is just dumb. you're better than that.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Where is this "one handed" throw? How anyone would see that from these scans is beyond me.

And a big lol at making a claim that this ship toss is definitive proof that Superman > Cpt. Marvel in strength. How can one even dignify that claim when factors that are staring you at your face like momentum and velocity are completely overlooked? I mean seriously.. 🙁

carver9 Senior Member

He's desperate. Especially when we have Cap stalemating Superman 3 times in strength locks in that comic and at one point, had Superman Ina hold that he was unable to break.

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Where is this "one handed" throw? How anyone would see that from these scans is beyond me.
And a big lol at making a claim that this ship toss is definitive proof that Superman > Cpt. Marvel in strength. How can one even dignify that claim when factors that are staring you at your face like momentum and velocity are completely overlooked?

Becasue Superman defies the rules of physics like momentum and velocity.

Ergo, >>>>Marvel.

carver9 Senior Member

Clear stalemate in a strength lock.

http://i.imgur.com/efpmdfF.jpg

Unable to break Cap's hold.

http://i.imgur.com/BpQTorh.jpg

Cap floors him with a head smash.

http://i.imgur.com/BYevMwo.jpg

Superman does the same thing here and Cap is still on his toes and is still holding Superman in place.

http://i.imgur.com/8KLNG91.jpg

Prof. T.C McAbe Kryptonian Scientist