Originally posted by JBL
If in my example where Thor's hammer TOUCHED his nose?????? What should the word TOUCHED mean to you??
We are talking about an energy blast not a bullet, so the example with fire is the most accurate, it is similar. So the question is not about being "touched" by a bullet or Hammer but about being engulfed in fire but not long enough to be consumed. You know the difference, and you know it makes perfect sense, at this point you are just denying.
So can you move your hand through fire without being consumed by it? Yes you can, you don't tank the fire or endure it for a long time, but still it touched you. This is the point made and this is how it was, imperiex blast hit superman but not long enough to burn him to the bones. So no Superman didn't tank it but was hit and koed by a short exposure to it.
What would you compare an energyblast from imperiex to, rather to a hammer or bullet or to a fireblast?
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeOh, i know full well what you and the other fans are trying to say... Your claim will be that he was hit with the full force but was saved before it killed him.LMAO. Sorry but that's the approaching lie i see on the horizon. Look at this video, skip to 10:50 and pause it, lets say that that house is superman in that blast, see how that bast strips the paint from that house, that's the part that koed superman, now skip to 10:52, that's the part of the blast that would have killed superman but picture him being teleported away at 10:51 and spared the killing bow. 😉
We are talking about an energy blast not a bullet, so the example with fire is the most accurate, it is similar. So the question is not about being "touched" by a bullet or Hammer but about being engulfed in fire but not long enough to be consumed. You know the difference, and you know it makes perfect sense, at this point you are just denying.So can you move your hand through fire without being consumed by it? Yes you can, you don't tank the fire or endure it for a long time, but still it touched you. This is the point made and this is how it was, imperiex blast hit superman but not long enough to burn him to the bones. So no Superman didn't tank it but was hit and koed by a short exposure to it.
What would you compare an energyblast from imperiex to, rather to a hammer or bullet or to a fireblast?
Originally posted by JBL
Oh, i know full well what you and the other fans are trying to say... Your claim will be that he was hit with the full force but was saved before it killed him.LMAO. Sorry but that's the approaching lie i see on the horizon. Look at this video, skip to 10:50 and pause it, lets say that that house is superman in that blast, see how that bast strips the paint from that house, that's the part that koed superman, now skip to 10:52, that's the part of the blast that would have killed superman but picture him being teleported away at 10:51 and spared the killing bow. 😉
No simply no, as seen in the scans he was in front of the hand, as seen in the scans he was engulfed by the blast like doomsday on the same page, identical, dd was long enough exposed to be reduced to bones, Superman was teleported away. Tanking the full force of the blast would require to stay till it stops, Superman never did that, so your assumption like you examples is wrong.
At least you dropped your nonsensical example with the stove and hammer.
Progress.
Now be so kind and answer my question about the flame.
The writer himself said that Superman was hit by the blast.
RC: Was Superman KO’d by a blast from Imperiex Prime in ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN 594?JOE CASEY: Sure. Superman was, as they say, knocked for a loop.
The idea with that scene—if I'm remembering correctly—is that Superman *would've* been incinerated just like Doomsday was… had he not been plucked away at the last nanosecond by a Boom Tube. Since he *was* plucked away, he was damaged but obviously not killed. Some superheroes have all the luck, eh...?
http://comicboards.com/joecasey-rc.php
But since JBL knows more than writer of the story, he's going to deny it of course.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. All of you are arguing about the same thing.Team 1: He got hit by the blast.
Team 2: He got hit by the blast. But it was a fraction of the blast.
So all the scans, interviews etc of Superman being hit by the blast....works for both teams. As nobody is claiming he wasn't hit.
A better question should be; what is Superman doing in this thread, that has nothing to do with him? Thor is directly implicated, because Kurse is stated to have 4x his strength, but Superman has no place in this thread. It's amazing how he always seems to end up in a thread that has nothing to do with him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. All of you are arguing about the same thing.Team 1: He got hit by the blast.
Team 2: He got hit by the blast. But it was a fraction of the blast.
So all the scans, interviews etc of Superman being hit by the blast....works for both teams. As nobody is claiming he wasn't hit.
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But you misread something. They claim he was never hit by the blast only by the schockwave that came before the blast, which is nonsense when you look at the scans and the fact that Superman is directly in front of imperiex hand.
As for this thread. Kurse might be stronger, 1-4 times, it doesn't matter, with weaknessexploration, Salomons wisdosm, superior speed and enough strength to hurt kurse, CA wins it more often than not.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
👆But you misread something. They claim he was never hit by the blast only by the schockwave that came before the blast, which is nonsense when you look at the scans and the fact that Superman is directly in front of imperiex hand.
As for this thread. Kurse might be stronger, 1-4 times, it doesn't matter, with weaknessexploration, Salomons wisdosm, superior speed and enough strength to hurt kurse, CA wins it more often than not.
On a featureless battle field where is he going to get the iron to exploit Kurse's vulnerability? Why not just say that if anyone fights Superman we are to assume that there is Kryptonite laying around that his opponents could just pick up and shove down his throat? If this is the case then Luke Cage would beat Superman every time. How about we take away his vulnerability, and and play it fair. Man to man, and no exploitation. If we use exploitation, it's pretty obvious that Kurse could be defeated by Paladin, but this does not answer the question of who would win if they just went at it without the nonsense.
Originally posted by Stoic
On a featureless battle field where is he going to get the iron to exploit Kurse's vulnerability? Why not just say that if anyone fights Superman we are to assume that there is Kryptonite laying around that his opponents could just pick up and shove down his throat? If this is the case then Luke Cage would beat Superman every time. How about we take away his vulnerability, and and play it fair. Man to man, and no exploitation. If we use exploitation, it's pretty obvious that Kurse could be defeated by Paladin, but this does not answer the question of who would win if they just went at it without the nonsense.
In DCnU he can create stuff. In pre DCnU, well a neutral Battlefield, Iron is more common in a planet than Knite.
But even without this, superior speed will allow CM to win.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Put it this way.Wtih DCnU Marvel, with his matter manip powers, he could win with weakness exploitation.
But pre-boot? Sure, Wisdom of Solomon MIGHT help, but I haven't seen Billy magicking anything up yet.
He magicked up a ping pong board in JL.
But it was by accident though 🙂
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
In DCnU he can create stuff. In pre DCnU, well a neutral Battlefield, Iron is more common in a planet than Knite.But even without this, superior speed will allow CM to win.
Speed only gos so far though. Kurse is 4x stronger than Thor, and durable to the point that he is called nearly invulnerable. This says a lot. I don't believe that Captain Marvel is stronger than Thor, I would say a battle between them would be like a battle between Orion (pre DCnU) and Captain Marvel. Either could take it. Kurse is above this level by a lot. Speed will not do it against him, because it would be like a guy 4x weaker than you trying to hurt you with a punch. You would feel it, but they would not be able to generate enough energy in the punch to do any lasting damage if any at all. You see how bouncers deal with 100 pound weaklings all of the time. There is simply no challenge.
So this is pretty much like a man weighing 110lbs getting into a fight with a 280lb bouncer capable of dead lifting 500lbs. No matter what the smaller man does unarmed, he is unlikely to win. If Captain Marvel can say hocus pocus and pull out an iron sword he would likely win. But man to man? Kurse is just out of his range. Look at how fast Superman is, and how well he did against Synnar during Hardcore Station. Kurse is the type of character that takes on team breakers and those team breakers need help from other team breakers. look at Beta Ray Bill, and Thor as an example. You could have probably thrown in Hercules, and Wonder Man, and they would have still been worked.
Originally posted by JBL
Oh, i know full well what you and the other fans are trying to say... Your claim will be that he was hit with the full force but was saved before it killed him.LMAO. Sorry but that's the approaching lie i see on the horizon. Look at this video, skip to 10:50 and pause it, lets say that that house is superman in that blast, see how that bast strips the paint from that house, that's the part that koed superman, now skip to 10:52, that's the part of the blast that would have killed superman but picture him being teleported away at 10:51 and spared the killing bow. 😉
Let me put it in terms YOU can understand...
Lets say You have a pineapple, you sit on that pineapple and the tip enters Uranus, then someone knocks on the door and YOU stop introducing the whole pineapple in Uranus.
Since the tip went in but not the whole pineapple was Uranus penetrated?
Originally posted by Stoic
He's on ignore, and I would prefer not to. I know that Superman is stronger. He's DC's boy, but the strength gap on average isn't to the point that Captain Marvel could not compete with him, which is what Galan was getting at. I have the books that you guys were debating, and I believe that you guys were arguing over an incompetent writer that showcased his inconsistent thought patterns. In one scene he appears fine, and the next he seems sick. The best thing to do is perhaps go with another confrontation that's shows them in a different light. I've seen them arm wrestling, and I've seen them in a fight, and this was a Superman possessed by an evil being. Of course as not to misrepresent the fight,it could be argued that Eclipso held back because his main focus was to take over Captain Marvel's body. If so, just cycle to another confrontation is my guess.
There's examples where Captain Marvel is a near-equal, but also about as many examples where Superman shows to be more than "nominally stronger." Much more at times.
Since you've got Abhi on ignore, here's Superman restraining Blaze.
Here's the full album, which includes scenes from SUPERMAN(V2) #71 showing he was weakened by the dimension they were in.
The scene of Superman restraining Blaze was written by Jerry Ordway, like Abhi pointed-out, the primary Captain Marvel solo writer Post-CRISIS. The same writer had Blaze making Black Adam her ***** with one hand.
And overpowering Shazam.
That same writer had Superman stalemating Cap(until Freddy and Marry power shared) in arm wrestling after SPECIFICALLY stating he was using the strength of Atlas as well as Hercules. That seems to me as a sign he's using more strength than usual, and considering how Black Adam and Shazam stacked-up against Blaze in pure strength, but Superman could restrain her under the same writer(and weakened if you look at the whole storyline), that supports it. And prior to their arm wrestling, Superman had just fought Black Adam then Cap(and Billy was PISSED while Superman was trying to reason with him, and a misjudged punch pissed Billy off more).
I don't see how Superman and the Kryptonite in PUBLIC ENEMIES(that's what you meant, right?) is inconsistent. Superman lied to Toyman about being fine. He lied to Power Girl and Katana about his condition. How is it not a scene where the Kryptonite and everything gets to Superman for a bit, then he bites down and deals with it?
And yeah, the second Eclipsoed fight, Eclipso was trying to get Billy mad to take him over. A mystically powered being is definitely a better host for a possessing being driven out by sunlight than an alien powered by sunlight.
Originally posted by carver9
He isn't lagging at all. Captain Marvel has two shotted Superman before. Even though it was a sneak attack, it still proves they are peers since it would take a peer to pull a stunt like that. Then, there was also a scene where Superman and Captain Marvel shared bodies and Superman was astound/amazed at the power Captain Marvel had in his possession. There are more examples of them being equals than vice verse.
Captain Marvel two-shotted Superman not just sneak attacking, but ZEUS-AMPED punches.
Not exactly an accurate portrayal of events. By the "logic" you and Galan use, a mind-controlled Superman two-shot a fully powered Captain Marvel.
Originally posted by carver9
This should end this debate about Captain Marvel and Superman.
We go by the same "logic" I pointed to earlier, Power Girl is stronger than a fully powered Cap.
So nope, they're not equal going by "logic." Unless you think Power Girl>Superman?
