Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Weren't the Marvels actually in the Rock of eternity? while Superman actually restrained Blaze in her realm??
The Marvels were in the same realm as the Rock Of Eternity, but Superman wasn't in Blaze's realm, but a different dimension. Superman had previously faced Blaze in her own realm, IIRC under the same writing team as BLAZE/SATANNUS WAR, but the dimension of BLAZE/SATANNUS WAR was a different dimension.
Originally posted by JBL
D) Don't answer because this superman fan is an Idiot who cannot comprehend something a 5 year old can..... ding! ding! ding!... I PICK D!!!!!! 💃
I find this hilarious because in that prior argument, Galan was wrong, because she missed something, and when I showed what was missed, she changed her argument. But because she was so insistent on she was right the entire time and didn't change her argument, you and Carter and Bran were all fooled because you were too busy giving Galan high fives and Handy Js to notice you had all been duped.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That is as straight forward as it gets. They are equals as the scan clearly illustrates. In marvel amongst the top tier heroes Hulk doesn't have an equal strength wise.
Urine too many threads were you either rehash a simple "My preferred character wins" comment, or getting on your knees blowing other posters after cheerleading them.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. All of you are arguing about the same thing.Team 1: He got hit by the blast.
Team 2: He got hit by the blast. But it was a fraction of the blast.
So all the scans, interviews etc of Superman being hit by the blast....works for both teams. As nobody is claiming he wasn't hit.
Galan did.
Originally posted by Galan007
carver, the entropy/aegis armor could create entropy. of course entropy isn't going to negatively affect it. nonealso, darkseid teleported superman away from the field BEFORE imperiex's blast touched him:
http://i.imgur.com/H02XY9g.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Y6TcDv3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2AZZVOG.jpgdarkseid confirms in the following issue:
http://i.imgur.com/L6z2BsY.jpg
ie. entropy never touched him.gotta read dem comics, carv. 👆
Note Galan puts emphasis on "BEFORE" on Darkseid teleported Superman away before Imperiex's blast touched him. And then I pointed-out problems with Galan's argument.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I know this is going off-topic, but......The art shows Superman getting hit. The following comic for the storyline, Darkseid doesn't say anything about taking him away before he got hit. In fact, narration earlier than the scan you showed said, "The Kryptonian has himself this day faced death and felt its breath--before Imperiex he fell but was sparred the killing blow." So Imperiex beat Superman by staring at him, but didn't hit him with the energy blast even though the art shows him being hit?
Galan's reply was--
Originally posted by Galan007
impossible to say. my only point is that entropy really cannot be compared to any other type of energy except for nullification.do you believe a blast from omega=a blast from the UN..?
it honestly doesn't matter how you interpreted the art, because in the very next issue darkseid told us what happened:
http://i.imgur.com/L6z2BsY.jpg
"Darkseid transported you from your fate at the hand of Imperiex's matter collapse and energy null for a higher purpose." in layman's terms: "I saved your ass from Imperiex's entropy blast, so you need to help me."had entropy itself physically touched him, superman would have been destroyed...but it didn't, so he wasn't.
Saying the art doesn't matter. I replied--
Originally posted by Delta1938
EXACT same issue as your scan of the Darkseid statement."The Kryptonian has himself this day faced death and felt its breath--before Imperiex he fell but was sparred the killing blow."
Superman was unconscious when brought to Apokolips. The Boom Tube knocked him out but for some reason narration said Imperiex beat him?
So Galan was consistent in two posts of saing the blast never hit Superman. What did Galan reply with?
Originally posted by Galan007
"BUT WAS SPARED THE KILLING BLOW."ergo he was 'ported away BEFORE the entropy destroyed him. darkseid further confirms this in the scan i already posted. point being: superman did not 'tank' entropy, or w/e, as it was made abundantly clear that said blast WOULD HAVE destroyed supes had darkseid not saved him from it.
I certainly didn't claim Superman tanked it. Nor did I say Superman took the entire blast. But the fact is, Galan's initial claim was Superman was never hit, and then Galan's proven wrong. And Galan changed her argument, got mad because I wasn't buying it, and fooled a bunch of people.
Originally posted by Stoic
A better question should be; what is Superman doing in this thread, that has nothing to do with him? Thor is directly implicated, because Kurse is stated to have 4x his strength, but Superman has no place in this thread. It's amazing how he always seems to end up in a thread that has nothing to do with him.
Since Captain Marvel's strength is most often defined by him compared to Superman, how is it not the same as bringing-up Thor for Kurse?
Originally posted by Stoic
On a featureless battle field where is he going to get the iron to exploit Kurse's vulnerability? Why not just say that if anyone fights Superman we are to assume that there is Kryptonite laying around that his opponents could just pick up and shove down his throat? If this is the case then Luke Cage would beat Superman every time. How about we take away his vulnerability, and and play it fair. Man to man, and no exploitation. If we use exploitation, it's pretty obvious that Kurse could be defeated by Paladin, but this does not answer the question of who would win if they just went at it without the nonsense.
I have to ask, where do you get "featureless battlefield?" I checked the rules and didn't see anything about that. But your analogy for Kryptonite and Superman doesn't work, because Kryptonite is far less common on DC Earth than steel or iron is on Marvel Earth.
Originally posted by abhilegend"Superman beat the shit out of Cap"..? what a hilariously biased exaggeration of the truth.
No, I throw all the statements out the window and look at how they perform against each other. And guess what? Superman beat the shit out of Cap in the only conclusive fight they had.http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04a.jpg
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taking into consideration the mid-battle cut-scenes and whatnot, the battle you posted lasted nearly an entire friggin' issue, and superman only gained any sort of clear advantage on the very last page--prior to that, they were stalemating. essentially, all those scans do is prove what most have been saying this entire time: they are peers/near-equals, with the advantage ultimately swaying toward superman. if they *weren't* peers/near-equals, the battle wouldn't have lasted nearly as long.
Originally posted by Galan007
"Superman beat the shit out of Cap"..? what a hilariously biased exaggeration of the truth.taking into consideration the mid-battle cut-scenes and whatnot, the battle you posted lasted nearly an entire friggin' issue, and superman only gained any sort of clear advantage on the very last page--prior to that, they were stalemating. essentially, all those scans do is prove what most have been saying this entire time: they are peers/near-equals, with the advantage ultimately swaying toward superman. if they *weren't* peers/near-equals, the battle wouldn't have lasted nearly as long.
No kidding, but people will see what they want to see. On top of the fact that no way can in any way say that Superman was holding back during that battle, because it was Eclipso, and it should also be noted that Captain Marvel held back the entire time out of fear of hurting Superman. That's saying a lot because just imagine if Captain Marvel was possessed, and unwilling to to hold back from killing? They had another fight other than this one as well when Superman was Eclipsed. It's when Superman threw an aircraft carrier at Captain Marvel, and at the end of the fight the Wizard Shazam shows up to separate them. Like I said, people will see what they wan to see.
Also take note of what Superman says at the end. He calls him Marvel, not Captain Marvel, which I guess was DC sending a message to the competitor. Oh, and let me not forget, Dan Panosian sucks doggy nuts in terms of art.
Originally posted by Galan007Exactly. The scans also prove this. Only the pro Superman fans disagree but everyone else sees it for what it is IMO.
"Superman beat the shit out of Cap"..? what a hilariously biased exaggeration of the truth.taking into consideration the mid-battle cut-scenes and whatnot, the battle you posted lasted nearly an entire friggin' issue, and superman only gained any sort of clear advantage on the very last page--prior to that, they were stalemating. essentially, all those scans do is prove what most have been saying this entire time: they are peers/near-equals, with the advantage ultimately swaying toward superman. if they *weren't* peers/near-equals, the battle wouldn't have lasted nearly as long.
Originally posted by Stoic
No kidding, but people will see what they want to see. On top of the fact that no way can in any way say that Superman was holding back during that battle, because it was Eclipso, and it should also be noted that Captain Marvel held back the entire time out of fear of hurting Superman. That's saying a lot because just imagine if Captain Marvel was possessed, and unwilling to to hold back from killing? They had another fight other than this one as well when Superman was Eclipsed. It's when Superman threw an aircraft carrier at Captain Marvel, and at the end of the fight the Wizard Shazam shows up to separate them. Like I said, people will see what they wan to see.Also take note of what Superman says at the end. He calls him Marvel, not Captain Marvel, which I guess was DC sending a message to the competitor. Oh, and let me not forget, Dan Panosian sucks doggy nuts in terms of art.
Abhi also posted a scan of the heroes talking about Cap was injured so badly he couldn't join in a search. IIRC he was out of commission for the rest of the storyline.
And here's how a handicapped Superman did against Lar Gand possessed by Eclipso.
In fact, according to Superman, Lar needed medical attention.
So Stoic, unless you think Captain Marvel>Lar Gand, I think we have your answer for how Captain Marvel would've done had he been the one Eclipsoed and Superman wasn't.
Originally posted by Stoic👆 superman v2 #216:
They had another fight other than this one as well when Superman was Eclipsed. It's when Superman threw an aircraft carrier at Captain Marvel, and at the end of the fight the Wizard Shazam shows up to separate them.
even though shazam was clearly pulling his punches, and had no desire to harm supes, they were still portrayed as peers.
Originally posted by Delta1938Billy would have been knocked out by being judo flipped face first into the moon?
Abhi also posted a scan of the heroes talking about Cap was injured so badly he couldn't join in a search. IIRC he was out of commission for the rest of the storyline.And here's how a handicapped Superman did against Lar Gand possessed by Eclipso.
In fact, according to Superman, Lar needed medical attention.
So Stoic, unless you think Captain Marvel>Lar Gand, I think we have your answer for how Captain Marvel would've done had he been the one Eclipsoed and Superman wasn't.
Per this scan, Captain Marvel was holding back and still caught Superman punch.
Also, Captain Marvel is matching Superman's strength here to a stand still.
Originally posted by carver9They are about as even as it gets in strength. Superman isn't atop the physical mountain but instead an equal to marvel in the dc universe. Ironically his name is marvel.
Also, Captain Marvel is matching Superman's strength here to a stand still.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They are about as even as it gets in strength. Superman isn't atop the physical mountain but instead an equal to marvel in the dc universe. Ironically his name is marvel.
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During that entire fight Marvel matched his strength and this was a Superman that was trying to kill him whereas Marvel was holding back. Don't know how much evidence is needed that they are equals.
Originally posted by carver9To me that shows Marvel had the advantage in this instance since Superman went all out.
👆During that entire fight Marvel matched his strength and this was a Superman that was trying to kill him whereas Marvel was holding back. Don't know how much evidence is needed that they are equals.
Originally posted by carver9In of a Superman superior to he Superman was still a peer to that Captain Marvel. Marvel's powers don't increase with continued sun exposure so you can see where I am going here.
👆I was going to save that for later once someone said they are not equals based off that fight.
Originally posted by Galan007
👆 superman v2 #216:
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http://i.imgur.com/0PsArD2.jpgeven though shazam was clearly pulling his punches, and had no desire to harm supes, they were still portrayed as peers.
my fave of their fights. eclipso is cool. didn't he eclipse cm at some point and didn't jonzz fight him to almost a standstill? or vice versa?? another classic.
anyway, nothing that has been shown has shown anything OTHER than that they are very close. in most fights it seems one or the other holds back. weird, and yet they are still almost always equal....
I don't see how the eclipso fight is useful, especially considering mind controlled characters don't count much (like sacrifice) and the fact that we have OWAW and the fact that CM struggled with a boat.
Anyway, under normal circumstances (mental blocks) superman and marvel are near equals in strength. No one is arguing this. But when the mental blocks come off (OWAW or DOS) then Superman is significantly stronger.
For example, if OWAW Superman hit CM with the same shots he was one shotting those probes with then he would kill CM in one attack.
