Lucy vs Dr. Manhattan

Originally posted by NemeBro
Why should we assume resistances that were never shown?

Why should we assume demigods have weaknesses that were never shown?

Unless the telepathy works with tachyons, telepaths have no way to affect a non-localized mine.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Why should we assume demigods have weaknesses that were never shown?

Unless the telepathy works with tachyons, telepaths have no way to affect a non-localized mine.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Any telepath with feats of affecting a mind beyond the physical plane can reach Manhattan, I agree. 👆

I disagree.

I amend my position.

No telepaths will be able to affect Dr. Manhattan. Only reality warpers and above will be able to affect Dr. Manhattan in any permanent way.

Before, my position was, "we don't know." But after refreshing my memory about him, it's going to take absurdly powerful beings to even permanently have an effect on him.

Time travelers, on the other hand, easily win. 🙂 But they are reality warpers, technically.

Edit - to give you an idea, phoenix, Beyonder, potentially comic book silver surfer, Franklin richards, and so forth. Those types could probably win.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree.

I amend my position.

No telepaths will be able to affect Dr. Manhattan.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Why should we assume resistances that were never shown?

we should neither assume he is impervious nor vulnerable because there is no evidence for either. to assert either based on unknowns is pure appeal to ignorance.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Any telepath with feats of affecting a mind beyond the physical plane can reach Manhattan, I agree. 👆

Originally posted by NemeBro
Based on?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Time travelers, on the other hand, easily win. 🙂 But they are reality warpers, technically.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Xavier isn't a very powerful telepath in the movies. Relatively speaking.

When did he have trouble controlling Mystique though?

He had trouble with Mystique in DoFP IIRC. He was slowly losing his grip on her.

I wouldn't say Doc is immune to telepathy, but you'd need a cosmic telepath on Thanos's level who can handle billions (trillions?) of years worth of experiences at once. I doubt Phoenix Jean (film version) could affect Doc.

Lucy at 100 percent unlocks GodMode.

Is Lucy at 100% in this thread? If so, yeah, she vastly outclasses Manhattan.

Originally posted by Lestov16
He had trouble with Mystique in DoFP IIRC. He was slowly losing his grip on her.

However Xavier's tp is physically constrained. It can be amped by ginormous radio broadcasts, and helmets made of special materials can block it out. It seems his powers function in a manner similar to Sookie Stackhouse from True Blood.

I doubt Lucy's tp functions that way.

Originally posted by Lestov16
He had trouble with Mystique in DoFP IIRC. He was slowly losing his grip on her.

I wouldn't say Doc is immune to telepathy, but you'd need a cosmic telepath on Thanos's level who can handle billions (trillions?) of years worth of experiences at once. I doubt Phoenix Jean (film version) could affect Doc.

He was also slowly losing his grip on Shaw before Mags killed him. I know because I just watched it about 20 minutes ago on FX. He was again complaining about losing his grip.

Originally posted by Lestov16
He was also slowly losing his grip on Shaw before Mags killed him. I know because I just watched it about 20 minutes ago on FX. He was again complaining about losing his grip.

This isn't a well thought out way to lowball Xavier.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Time travelers aren't reality warpers.😬

Set A of events in a reality.

Set B of events in reality after the actions of a time-traveler.

The events of Set A have been warped into the events of Set B.

Conclusion: Time Travelers are a poor-man's reality warper.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Set A of events in a reality.

Set B of events in reality after the actions of a time-traveler.

The events of Set A have been warped into the events of Set B.

Conclusion: Time Travelers are a poor-man's reality warper.

it depends on the story.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
it depends on the story.

👆

And the type of physics that govern the universe in that story.

Lost had a linear "grandfather paradox can't happen" take on timetravel.

So does Harry Potter (sort of...).

From what we know, that's how reality probably works.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Set A of events in a reality.

Set B of events in reality after the actions of a time-traveler.

The events of Set A have been warped into the events of Set B.

Conclusion: Time Travelers are a poor-man's reality warper.

i really don't like doc manhattan used in topics. he was the only being in that universe with superpowers and never once strained to do anything. how the hell could you appraise the extent or limits of his power? besides being a fanboy or hater, that is.

By admitting the fact that most of the feats he accomplished are hardly something beyond the capabilities of high herald matter manipulators.

Silver Surfer could beat him in a hundred and one different ways.
Thor could kill him with a godblast.
Superman could sing him out of existence.
Martian Manhunter could telepathically subdue him.
And so on and so forth.

Since the prevalence of high heralds in movies isn't really great, we have the other end of the extremely superpowerful spectrum like reality warpers such as Genie(Alladin), Bruce Almighty, Sutter Cane, Q from Star Trek, the Archangels of Supernatural etc. All of whom could just wish him out of existence.