Originally posted by Epicurus
Nope. That's not reality warping.
I disagree in the most fundamental way you can imagine.
Since I've already stated my point which is an opinion on how to use some English language words, there is nothing left to be said by either party.
Any arguments left to be had on this particular topic amount to nothing more than petty word games; off which, I am not interested in playing.
Originally posted by Epicurus
By admitting the fact that most of the feats he accomplished are hardly something beyond the capabilities of high herald matter manipulators.Silver Surfer could beat him in a hundred and one different ways.
Thor could kill him with a godblast.
Superman could sing him out of existence.
Martian Manhunter could telepathically subdue him.
And so on and so forth.Since the prevalence of high heralds in movies isn't really great, we have the other end of the extremely superpowerful spectrum like reality warpers such as Genie(Alladin), Bruce Almighty, Sutter Cane, Q from Star Trek, the Archangels of Supernatural etc. All of whom could just wish him out of existence.
Here's the problem:
You can't really kill Manhattan...at all.
The only reason I think reality warpers are the only thing that beat him are obvious: anything at all that has to do with this physical plane will not kill Manhattan.
Reality warping such as time-travelers and powerful demi-gods are the only way to put Manhattan down.
The telepath argument is weak, at best, and completely wrong, at worst. We are stuck with reality warpers. 🙂
Originally posted by Lestov16
at the very least at 100% she should definitely be able to stalemate Doc. 99% or lower and Doc should handily take it.
Yea she was omnipresent however I don't know if that translates into omnipotentence from what we saw at 100%. So in return he could not hurt her as nothing to hurt. I guess we will need a sequel to see her at 100% and if she reforms herself as Depp did in Transcendence and how far she can take omnipresence.
As she said she was going to die and did die. She did create some sort of dimensional drive that she handed off to Freeman, I take it all the secrets and her knowledge were on that drive.
I wish they would have showed more of her at 99%. To get a real basis on her powers at that level.
At that level, she used her mind to explore space and time (similar to how the Beyonder explored the multiverse from his hotel room). I don't think even Doc is capable of outright time travel like Lucy was doing at 99%. At 100%, she transcended a physical body because she was no longer bound by time, and thus can't exist as matter. So at 100%, she should have enough juice to stalemate and even possibly beat Doc, but that is only because she has no physical body for him to destroy. Anything below that, i see no reason why Doc couldn't destroy her physical body if a gunman posed a threat to her at that stage.
Originally posted by Lestov16
At that level, she used her mind to explore space and time (similar to how the Beyonder explored the multiverse from his hotel room). I don't think even Doc is capable of outright time travel like Lucy was doing at 99%. At 100%, she transcended a physical body because she was no longer bound by time, and thus can't exist as matter. So at 100%, she should have enough juice to stalemate and even possibly beat Doc, but that is only because she has no physical body for him to destroy. Anything below that, i see no reason why Doc couldn't destroy her physical body if a gunman posed a threat to her at that stage.
There is a lot of assumptions about this. She was traveling the universe with her mind at 99% I thought? Cause right at 100% her human body dies and we don't see many feats after this. We don't know what her powers are above 99% for the most part other then she is "everywhere." I guess we could make a bunch of assumptions but nothing definitive. I might watch the movie again, I like it.
As for time travel they do it differently. Dr Manhattan doesn't perceive time as coexistent, he EXPERIENCES it as such. He can travel though time as conscious being with his mind, not with his astro body to interact with it.
He cannot travel through time, because he is IN and ACROSS time simultaneously. All moments occur simultaneously, and as such time has become an abstract construct for him, one in which the idea of a sequence of moments becomes meaningless.