Blade vs. Shang Chi

Originally posted by riv6672
Agree to disagree, supermutant.
I can, but would rather not play the low ball the character game.

How is Wolverine beating Shang Chi lowballing? It seems consistent with Gorgon being above Shang Chi as well . It seems some just do not what to accept what happens on panel, so they say it lowballing to make themselves feel better. Shang Chi doesn't have a great record against metas, and when considering he is just human makes a lot of sense. Plus he has not displayed the level of chi amping that Iron Fist can do. Again where are his feats or even his chi amping to put him on Blade's level. The most I seen from him is when he did a "chi scream" against some fodder which left him unable to speak for a while.

So it would some that even if he was to chi amp, he wouldn't have the endurance to keep it up and he would be significantly weaken after. Now where is the evidence to the contrary, I'm waiting.

Blade can take alot of punishment, he's like Punisher on horse steroids with a Wolverine level healing factor.

Originally posted by RealPizzaBoy
Blade stats will give him the win. Shang with all his skills just cant hang with skilled superhumans like blade. it will be same as his fight vs Gorgon. he will outskill blade for a brief moment but the stats gap will take its effect.

Shangs fought skilled super humans before. As well as a giant scorpion, and a skilled martial artist wearing power armor that shocks whoever touches it.

That, plus feats like shattering thick, solid stone with an elbow smash (Not brick, a solid mass of stone), or blocking bullets with his bracelets, and competing on a near even level with Spidey put him towards the top of any street level food chain.. Not to mention, competing with Gorgon (Who he lost to, but did far better then Logan or Elektra as a team, and even looked better then Iron Fist, though their fight was short..)

Originally posted by Supermutant
How is Wolverine beating Shang Chi lowballing? It seems consistent with Gorgon being above Shang Chi as well .

Gorgon won that fight on damage soak. in terms of speed, reflexes, agility, skill, tactics, they looked pretty even.

Which is a damned sight better then Logan or Elektra looked, one on one or as a team, when they clashed with Gorgon.

Originally posted by cdtm
Shangs fought skilled super humans before. As well as a giant scorpion, and a skilled martial artist wearing power armor that shocks whoever touches it.

That, plus feats like shattering thick, solid stone with an elbow smash (Not brick, a solid mass of stone), or blocking bullets with his bracelets, and competing on a near even level with Spidey put him towards the top of any street level food chain.. Not to mention, competing with Gorgon (Who he lost to, but did far better then Logan or Elektra as a team, and even looked better then Iron Fist, though their fight was short..)

Last three pro Shang posts are pretty solid.

Last Blade post favorably talked up damage soak. Thats his best asset here but its not enough.

Originally posted by cdtm
Shangs fought skilled super humans before.

And lost to skilled super humans before.

Originally posted by cdtm
As well as a giant scorpion, and a skilled martial artist wearing power armor that shocks whoever touches it.

😂 Nightwing has much better feats than that.

Originally posted by cdtm
That, plus feats like shattering thick, solid stone with an elbow smash (Not brick, a solid mass of stone), or blocking bullets with his bracelets, and competing on a near even level with Spidey put him towards the top of any street level food chain.. Not to mention, competing with Gorgon (Who he lost to, but did far better then Logan or Elektra as a team, and even looked better then Iron Fist, though their fight was short..)

Again any decent street leveler has those feats. Punisher, Daredevil, Elektra, Black Cat, and so has competed with or stalemated Spider-man. Everyone knows a morals on Peter routinely holds back. Instead of doing abc comparisons, we know that bone-clawed Wolverine no less easily defeated Shang Chi. Gorgon stats were too much for Shang Chi to overcome. 😆
He simply doesn't have the feats to be on Blade's level, but its fun reading things like defeated a dragon off panel. 😆 That kind of victory could have happen any number of ways. So without any panel proof its doesn't help one way or the other.

You arent changing your mind, and are doing a poor job of changing anyone else's.
This is now redundant posts for no reason.
Candace is out. Peace!

Originally posted by riv6672
Last three pro Shang posts are pretty solid.

Last Blade post favorably talked up damage soak. Thats his best asset here but its not enough.

Last three pro Shang post are just like the others before it, without any significant feats.

In this curb stomp, its hard to determine his best assest. Could be his skill with his adamantium sword or his speed & agility, or his super human senses, or his strength.

Regarding dragon battle, Shang Chi wasn't even moving after being hit in the atmosphere by that dragon. He didn't try to break his fall or anything, if they dragon didn't save he, his brains would have been all over the pavement. But with so little feats, I see why you would want to use that as durability feat.

Originally posted by riv6672
You arent changing your mind, and are doing a poor job of changing anyone else's.
This is now redundant posts for no reason.
Candace is out. Peace!

I'm not trying to change anyone mind's the feats speak for themselves. You don't even add anything would you post, but you want others who don't agree with you too stop. No one is making you continue to read or post. I'm still waiting for Shang Chi's feats that put him on Blade's level.

*yawn*
Then you're just posting to post.

I'm telling mom!

Originally posted by riv6672
Last three pro Shang posts are pretty solid.

Last Blade post favorably talked up damage soak. Thats his best asset here but its not enough.

Here are some points to talk about:

Blade's style significantly more deadly. You can talk about Shang-Chi stalemating Spiderman, but Blade put him on a stretcher. Blade doesn't fight to incapacitate, he fights to kill and he carries the equipment to do so, whereas Shang-Chi doesn't.

In terms of skill, Shang Chi is one of the best hand-to-hand fighters in Marvel, this isn't a hand-to-hand fight though (at least the first condition). Blade is one of marvel's best swordsmen and all around weapons user. As long as Blade has something in his hand, Shang-Chi's hand-to-hand skill level isn't going to be to an extent that overcomes Blade.

In terms of speed, Blade has looked faster than Deadpool in their encounter and speedblitzed a super soldier said to be stronger than Captain America. Their feats are at the LEAST even.

Blade has the advantage in terms of brute strength.

Given Blade's equipment and healing advantage I see him taking the first condition more often than not.

Well, i just dont see Blade as being more skilled.
4 pages of back and forth is now just showcasing everyone's stubborness.
Still, better to post here than the 3 Thanos threads currently at the top of the page.
Points have all been made, now its just a who do you pick scenario.

Originally posted by deathslash
wow, what I just said went right over your head didn't it? I'm not saying that the Dragon protecting him from the impact is a durability feat, I'm saying that surviving a punch that would skyrocket you into the atmosphere is a durability feat. Oh, so most street level characters can block punches from Heroim the Shamed or stand up to a guy that briefly soloed Gladiator, Ronan, Super Skrull, and Annihilus? You do know that Shang Chi has and still does continue to better himself and perfect his style. The other dragon that he defeated was off panel but it was apperently dangerous enough that BP and Luke Cage ran away from it.

Originally posted by iceman24567
I love how Supermutant ignored this post 😆

I love how you ignored this post

Originally posted by Supermutant
Regarding dragon battle, Shang Chi wasn't even moving after being hit in the atmosphere by that dragon. He didn't try to break his fall or anything, if they dragon didn't save he, his brains would have been all over the pavement. But with so little feats, I see why you would want to use that as durability feat.

By the way after Shang blocked that punch from Hiroim he was dead to rights and had to be saved by his then girlfriend Tarantula. Shang also said that they (meaning that Heroes for Hire group with him) could not defeat Hiroim. So who is laughing now. 😂 😂

So, surviving the actual attack itself to BE saved means nothing. In your opinion.

I guess that means i'm laughing now.

Originally posted by riv6672
So, surviving the actual attack itself to BE saved means nothing. In your opinion.

I guess that means i'm laughing now.

You failed at trying to put words in my mouth. But it does means little when you can't even protect yourself from the subsequent fall. And this feat went from Shang defeating a dragon to Shang surviving a punch from a dragon that save him, although Shang couldn't protect himself immediately thereafter. Now that's 😂

Still waiting on Shang's feats, what has he done with chi?

The only reason it went from one feat to the other is thats the aspect you've chosen to fixate on, selectively ignoring certain facts/certain posts/ers.

And i would never try and put words in your mouth. I'd have to find room, what with your foot having been in there since the first page and all...

Originally posted by Trackz
Here are some points to talk about:

Blade's style significantly more deadly. You can talk about Shang-Chi stalemating Spiderman, but Blade put him on a stretcher. Blade doesn't fight to incapacitate, he fights to kill and he carries the equipment to do so, whereas Shang-Chi doesn't.

In terms of skill, Shang Chi is one of the best hand-to-hand fighters in Marvel, this isn't a hand-to-hand fight though (at least the first condition). Blade is one of marvel's best swordsmen and all around weapons user. As long as Blade has something in his hand, Shang-Chi's hand-to-hand skill level isn't going to be to an extent that overcomes Blade.

In terms of speed, Blade has looked faster than Deadpool in their encounter and speedblitzed a super soldier said to be stronger than Captain America. Their feats are at the LEAST even.

Blade has the advantage in terms of brute strength.

Given Blade's equipment and healing advantage I see him taking the first condition more often than not.

All of Shangs opponents fight to kill, though. And use weapons. Fu Manchu's Si Fan, his personal elite ninja group that includes members nearly as skilled as Shang, sport weapons from spiked nunchucks, to multi bladed weapons (Even a "tri bladed" weapon, one upping Darth Mauls horribly impractical double light saber by several decades. 🙂 ) He's also fought with characters that had ranged weapons, like a laser arm.

And in terms of speed, does blade have any feats that compete with someone who sliced a bullet in half mid air? Because, Shang fought such an opponent, and while he was obviously outclassed, he also managed to make a fight of it and avoid taking a lethal blow, up until a plot device ended the confrontation. Shows he's high enough up the speed hierarchy, that you really need to be a solid bullet timer, and maybe a little bit beyond, to give him problems.

Originally posted by cdtm
All of Shangs opponents fight to kill, though. And use weapons. Fu Manchu's Si Fan, his personal elite ninja group that includes members nearly as skilled as Shang, sport weapons from spiked nunchucks, to multi bladed weapons (Even a "tri bladed" weapon, one upping Darth Mauls horribly impractical double light saber by several decades. 🙂 ) He's also fought with characters that had ranged weapons, like a laser arm.

And in terms of speed, does blade have any feats that compete with someone who sliced a bullet in half mid air? Because, Shang fought such an opponent, and while he was obviously outclassed, he also managed to make a fight of it and avoid taking a lethal blow, up until a plot device ended the confrontation. Shows he's high enough up the speed hierarchy, that you really need to be a solid bullet timer, and maybe a little bit beyond, to give him problems.