Here you say Doomsday is smart enough to use his speed to prevent bfr but under the same breath mention Thor is too dumb to use bfr.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85And Doomsday is FASTER than the Flash, remember? Canon writing.
You're basically saying Doomsday is smarter than Thor and I find that insulting to the Thor crew and outright ridiculous and shows how much of a DC fan you are.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
See? Good to know you can think logically.Scans of Odin's intelligence? He was going h2h with Mangog pretty thoroughly 😛
You're being a hypocrite. I shouldn't have to show anything since I can do the same thing for character you root for. You just mentioned Doomsday blitzing, Superman taking out Surfer ar super speed. Midnighter opening doors in all of his fights. At least try to pretend like you are not bias.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆So we all agree, Odin wins 10/10 thanks to his powers, and basic intelligence, which isn't highlighted in comics but will be used to full capacity in forum fights.
Thanks for making my point, lol. You have no idea what I'm doing here lol.
Glad you agree that Odin stomps this thread via time stop and blasting his opponents to death unless again, you think Doomsday is smarter than Odin.
Originally posted by carver9
Glad you agree that Odin stomps this thread via time stop and blasting his opponents to death unless again, you think Doomsday is smarter than Odin.
Lol I agree though......
Besides, it's not an intelligence thing. It's like fighting a wild animal. I could know 100 martial arts styles, speak 35 languages, whatever......
And it's not gonna help me in a h2h fight with a King Cobra, or a grizzly bear, lol.
Your laughable attempts to put words in my mouth and attempt to get Thor fans to attack me is....pitiful.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol I agree though......Besides, it's not an intelligence thing. It's like fighting a wild animal. I could know 100 martial arts styles, speak 35 languages, whatever......
And it's not gonna help me in a h2h fight with a King Cobra, or a grizzly bear, lol.
Your laughable attempts to put words in my mouth and attempt to get Thor fans to attack me is....pitiful.
Glad we came to an agreement. This thread can be closed.
Originally posted by operator616Wow. Saved for posterity. Completely destroyed Darkseid as a character erasing the forum myths about this lackluster villain. Bravo, good sir.
Oh yeah, im shaking in my boots. If there's anything im running from it's your red herrings, non-sequiturs, and outright half-arsed arguments which i already addressed four years ago.But you want to have a real debate panthergod? Fine. Let's analyze this in details.
In Forever People vol. 1, Darkseid's only notable achievement is imprisoning Infinity man. He also managed to bfr the forever people but unfortunately he got threatened by moonrider's megaton touch, by his own admission:
http://i.imgur.com/Sv4RA1n.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AGrpKUL.jpgIn Mister Miracle vol. 1 Darkseid never did anything impressive that i recall of.
Then we have, New Gods vol. 1, ah that's where all the goodies come in. We learn of the New genesis/Apokolips war and how Darkseid desperately needed the boom tube space warp technology for his army:
But Darkseid has the ability to create space warps!!! Right? 🙄
Darkseid had a few highlights in the series, like killing/resurrecting Desaad with OB, resurrecting one of the deep six, empowering beldam with a fraction of his power who handles orion, but the series (and really, the other NG comics too) revolved around Darkseid trying to obtain the ALE from the minds of 6 earth individuals. Here, look at good ol' darkseid using desaad's mind probe tech to delve into a regular human's mind:
And yet you're trying to convince me that Darkseid can mindrape entire populations? 😂
....but it gets better and better for Darkseid. Even when he obtains the full ALE, he confronts HF, who was completely drained. This is the HF he is facing:
And yet, this powerless HF and orion manage to defeat Darkseid with the ALE in Adventure Comics #460, and Darkseid gets vaporized into oblivion by desaad's uni-cannon to boot.
http://i.imgur.com/3l8qRbG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CUJrvjW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ARjVYt5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DcsQfnM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Bfft3dH.jpgIn Super Society of Super-Villains, Darkseid had a good showing against GL Mantis and black racer, but nothing skyfather-level.
He then resurfaced in a JLA story where he got punked by Firestorm and destroyed by the re-creation machine:
https://imgur.com/tFjhPzy
https://imgur.com/TOyPiGq
https://imgur.com/tv3qjfMin that same story, Fiddler mindraped your entire precious new genesis population:
How powerful is fiddler? Well, golden age Jay resisted his mind shenanigans back in the early All flash comics, pre-crisis. And in barry's pre-Crisis title once, then also in wally's post-Crisis series and in another one-shot post-Crisis issue since you like bringing post-Crisis so much.
Let's no even mention Hunger Dogs, although it's non-canon for post-Crisis new gods, it's canon for pre-Crisis new gods, if we're making the pre and post distinction. Darkseid was running away from a rebellion in Apokolips in that story.
Regarding GDS:
Must i repeat the fact that he said "i am fulfilled" when he absorbed the orb (he also previously absorbed Excalibur):
http://i.imgur.com/VHWy56Y.jpg?1
And the bio confirms that it's the necessary power level that he wanted.
http://i.imgur.com/IPMIBpA.jpg?1
Which can either be that he got his full power back or that he obtained even more than his full power. Either way, Darkseid was at least full power at that point. And after that he stole Mordru's powers:
http://i.imgur.com/iXAIYQO.jpg
And TT's (revealed to be a controller in Legionnaires 3):
http://i.imgur.com/yOJEwjg.jpg
You call that not amped?
the bios: in GDS, Darkseid amped himself to a point where he could become a TT level foe (not to mention that's a 1988 bio and TT later had more feats)
There's a similar statement in an '87 bio; which also states that he's a peer of Darkseid, but goes on to say that his personal abilities are not known:http://i.imgur.com/o2LLkVG.jpg?1
They are classifying them on a threat-basis. And Darkseid was amped anyway
And that's it! im done. I mean, Darkseid is lucky to qualify as a trans-leveler, many of his showings are quite shitty and an average portrayal clearly has him far below GDS levels. You wanted a counter-argument, now you've got it. Your turn now.
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Originally posted by panthergod
Kid, I dont give a shit about your blatant lies, distortions, and illiterate interpretations.
You sound like a mentally unstable 6th grader trying to pull off a tough act. That, or you're a dim-witted fully grown adult. Which one's worse is up for debate but it's beyond pathetic either way.
Originally posted by panthergod
Irrelevant, and circular logic. Infinity Man is absolutely Trans tier, and you concede Darkseid directly overpowered him.You already LOST with that alone, you hilariously obtuse liar. 😂
You got me!!! or not, moron.
1. Darkseid ambushed him from behind, and gave IM no chance to attack, he even admitted it to be so:
https://imgur.com/VMPBqRT
https://imgur.com/KP36vaj
And it doesn't necessarily take a skyfather level to imprison a trans level character with an ambush attack/cheap shot. But i like how you're going all gaga over a single showing when he has more than a dozen indicating that he's not skyfather. It shows how desperate you are.
Originally posted by panthergod
Guess what idiot: modern Darkseid HAS innate Boon tube/Stargate creating powers. HOW he got that power-- in the DISTANT PAST-- BEFORE the modern era is IRRELEVANT you incredible dumbass. 😂This nonsense has already been addressed but.. It's still irrelevant.
What later writers wrote about Darkseid's powerset and the ALE render this meaningless. You supposition and theories<< the comics.
Your single-digit IQ has failed you again, my dear oafish friend.
We were having a nice discussion without your sorry ass popping in and going babbling about post-Crisis Darkseid. Because guess what, kid? Writer intention matters. I get that this completely shits on your argument from top to bottom but try to stay objective: Darkseid has never showcased space warps or that level of mental abilities, so did the writer of GDS travel to the future and check out future Darkseid comics to establish a whole new powerset for darkseid? We are NOT debating Post-Crisis Darkseid, we were debating pre-Crisis Darkseid and making that distinction for the purposes of this thread, because we were analyzing his pre-Crisis feats apart from GDS. We didn't delve into the new continuity. If you don't like that then GTFO.
Originally posted by panthergod
That 'powerless' HF was superior to Orion by his own admission.. and also stated in the thrid scan that Darkseid was WEAKENED via his output against As highfather far above Orion by his own admission. Orion fought a weakened Darksied and.. knocked him backward into the barrier. Wow. A weakened Darkseid defintiely proves that a full power Darkseid is weak, ah dumbass? so your point is more proof of your illiteracy.Next.
😂 Pathetic.
So Darkseid with the ful power of ALE being severely weakened by an all but powerless highfather is a good showing? And orion's astro force overpowering Darkseid's omega powers is also, somehow, a good showing for Darkseid?
Go back to bizarro world, you buffoonish idiot.
Originally posted by panthergod
Lol, because YOU say so..? :lolMantis+GL power= Transtier by definiton. Classic GL's had infinite power, Easily defeating trans tiers is absolutely Skyfather level. Black Racer is far above top tier. So thanks.
Your illiteracy is hilarious.
Pre-Crisis GL's had infinite power? Oh yeah, Hal straining his will to the utmost to hold a tidal wave, and unable to space a couple of spaceships from Saturn's gravitational pull despite using full willpower is infinite power indeed. Don't even get me started his countless defeats at the hands of tiger shark, dr light, dr polaris, queen kalista, evil star, major disaster, sinestro and **** ton of others i don't care to remember.
And remind me again what did black racer do apart from failing to claim fastback and lightray and get bfr'd by metron? Oh that's right, zilch. Nada. Jack shit.
Yes insult me some more and remind all of us of how tough you are, mr. internet tough guy.
Originally posted by panthergod
So mroe lies..? Firestorm redirected Darkseid's own Omega Beams back at him.. and that still didnt take him out. It stunned him. He got taken out by the universe destroying Apokolips Tech Recreation Machine Even Orion oneshotted Firestorm in that arc. You know.. the same Orion was was explicitly far below standard Darkseid according to your own scans which you are too stupid to comprehend.And hold up, you claimed Orion 'beat Darksiedin that earlier story..? well look at what the story YOU just cited says about that:
Mr Miracle: "He(Orion" DIDNT Kill Darkseid.. NOT DIRECTLY! ... Orion DISTRACTED HIM with an Astro Force Blast.."
So Orion, who can break interton, couldnt do mroe than Distract a severely weakened Darkseid with a full killing Astro force blast.
You are a PROVEN LIAR.
facepalm Awful comprehension skills
What does redirecting Darkseid's attacks and stunning him mean you oaf? Oh that's right, he punked him, you pathetic punk. It's like you're splitting hairs to argue for argument's sake. and LMAO at "apokolips' universe destroying tech", yeah keep referencing post-Crisis issues. Just don't think your red herrings are fooling anyone here.
yes we knew that, captain obvious!!! We already knew that in the original story! So why are you acting like you've made some important discovery? I even in fact stated that Darkseid was destroyed by desaad's uni-cannon so orion didn't kill him. The embarassing thing is that ALE Darkseid was drained by fighting a nearly powerless high father. And after that, he got overpowered by orion's astro force and admitted as such:
Originally posted by panthergod
ok...? Am I supposed to care..? 😂This is more irrleevant BS.
More irrelevant BS.
Well, yes. Weren't you dick riding the new gods saying how they're all metaphorical and shit? Along with your tendency to apply 20+ year retcons to pre-Crisis characters. So read and weep, my dear oaf, read and weep.
Ah, you don't like what you read in there, did you?
Originally posted by panthergod
..Which mean he acheived his goal. Nothing more.illiterate.
Yeah.. he got the artifact and absorbed his power.. that in NO WAY means he was equal to his prior level liar.
Yes he did achieve his goal. He got his full powers back. Finally we agree on something. I knew there was some small part of intelligence left in that halfwit brain of yours. 👆
Yeah, yeah, whatever. You can force your own bias interpretation all you want, it still doesn't change the fact that the story -- and his previously established powerset -- made it clear he was amped.
Originally posted by panthergoduh.. WRONG. Darksied attaining his goal in no way means he acheived his prior power level, which he specifically stated that he didn't, liar. He specifically states that his power levels via those artifacts, Mordru and Ti mte Trapper are not equivalent to the power-level he had in the modern day. Period.
😐 Where the hell is it stated that his GDS amp is not equivalent to his previous power level, you illiterate oaf?
Originally posted by panthergod
More lies.Darkseid was time Trapepr class, period. He was also Trigon level, period.
not knowing a powerset does not mean they didnt know what power-level they meant him to be on fool.
Darkseid was TT's benchmark, as he was the most powerful mainstream Dc villain at that point.
They were classifying them on a threat-basis class, you'd know that if you knew how who's who bios work. Just remember that Darkseid got threatened by moonrider. 😂
To think ive detected some part of intelligence in you. You're letting your buffoonish part take control again.
Originally posted by panthergod
Yes, you Are Done.Your argument is based on speculation and suppositions. Darkseid states his GDS level is inferior to his classic level a millenia prior. GDS DS<Modern DS.
Yes, you are the one who keeps bringing up post-Crisis feats as an excuse to explain away pre-Crisis inconsistencies and yet im the one, by posting actually relevant scans and evidence from that era, using suppositions and speculation in my argument. What a brilliant troll you are, panthergod.
Originally posted by panthergod
Hey idiot, Morrison made clear that New God manifestations are celestial bodies they interact with lesser dimensional beings as he made clear in Final Crisis. Metron was addled by Darkseid's machinations when Batman fooled him.retard.
The hate is strong in you, kid. Turn to the dark side (pun intended) you will. Along with your single digit IQ it may be a deadly combination. You've been warned.
No, shit sherlock. Only if you'd focus on the actual debate instead of trying to sound as tough as possible, i wouldn't need to spoon feed you. News flash, genius: Batman punching metron and ray frying Darkseid's brain means they are physical beings. Yes, bufoon, we all know new gods were non-corporeal post-Final Crisis, but we're talking about rock of ages now. So try to keep up.
Originally posted by panthergod
Another lie.Actually, Kirby's protege Mark Evanier established that Orion, like all New Gods had a celestial/cosmic aspect beyond his standard manifestation in mortal realms:
Wrong again ignoramus.
Yes, ive read the series, my dear oafish friend. They weren't portrayed as anything uber in that series. If you think cosmic cartridge-like light shows proves your point im sorry to burst your bubble, son. Actual showings like the reflector no selling orion's astro force matters much more. And if anything that series nerfed Darkseid by establishing his omega powers as unable to do some of its previously established functions (like resurrection).
Bark some more, oaf.
Originally posted by panthergodHey you friggin nimcompoop, It just means the Death of the universe is under HIS jurisdictioon. He IS Multiversal Death via the Fourth World.
So it doesn't mean that his shadow enveloped universes (like abhi said)? Good to know, and it's a future version anyway.
Lol at "nincompoop", you're getting creative aren't you?
1. Sit back and read the posts. Reed and weep
2. Have an emotional and mental breakdown
3. Start throwing lots of insults.
4. Calm down a bit, remind yourself that Superman is da best!!
5. Go back to being a single digit IQ oaf. Because evidently, it's the only thing you're good at.
Pre Crisis Darkseid IS TGD.
Since it did happen pre crisis.
Now, if you're sticking to anything Kirby did, or tie ins written while he was alive, that's another story.
Even then, he sat back in his throne room and let his OE transport The Forever People through time, and wiped out/brought back Desaad, so he's not exactly unimpressive.
Originally posted by cdtm
Pre Crisis Darkseid IS TGD.Since it did happen pre crisis.
Now, if you're sticking to anything Kirby did, or tie ins written while he was alive, that's another story.
Even then, he sat back in his throne room and let his OE transport The Forever People through time, and wiped out/brought back Desaad, so he's not exactly unimpressive.
He has even better feats than those, ive already acknowledged them. But there are lots of unimpressive showings and his average portrayal is nowhere near Odin. That's not even remotely debatable.
Originally posted by operator616Owned. This is what debating is completely dismantling his points with the proper context of the stories these feats take place in. Panthergod, Abhilegend always use other stories to try to justify and ignore the writers intentions of separate stories altogether. They angry to piece together the history in the best possible light for their own agendas.
You sound like a mentally unstable 6th grader trying to pull off a tough act. That, or you're a dim-witted fully grown adult. Which one's worse is up for debate but it's beyond pathetic either way.You got me!!! or not, moron.
1. Darkseid ambushed him from behind, and gave IM no chance to attack, he even admitted it to be so:
https://imgur.com/VMPBqRT
https://imgur.com/KP36vajAnd it doesn't necessarily take a skyfather level to imprison a trans level character with an ambush attack/cheap shot. But i like how you're going all gaga over a single showing when he has more than a dozen indicating that he's not skyfather. It shows how desperate you are.
Your single-digit IQ has failed you again, my dear oafish friend.
We were having a nice discussion without your sorry ass popping in and going babbling about post-Crisis Darkseid. Because guess what, kid? Writer intention matters. I get that this completely shits on your argument from top to bottom but try to stay objective: Darkseid has never showcased space warps or that level of mental abilities, so did the writer of GDS travel to the future and check out future Darkseid comics to establish a whole new powerset for darkseid? We are NOT debating Post-Crisis Darkseid, we were debating pre-Crisis Darkseid and making that distinction for the purposes of this thread, because we were analyzing his pre-Crisis feats apart from GDS. We didn't delve into the new continuity. If you don't like that then GTFO.
😂 Pathetic.
So Darkseid with the ful power of ALE being severely weakened by an all but powerless highfather is a good showing? And orion's astro force overpowering Darkseid's omega powers is also, somehow, a good showing for Darkseid?
Go back to bizarro world, you buffoonish idiot.
Pre-Crisis GL's had infinite power? Oh yeah, Hal straining his will to the utmost to hold a tidal wave, and unable to space a couple of spaceships from Saturn's gravitational pull despite using full willpower is infinite power indeed. Don't even get me started his countless defeats at the hands of tiger shark, dr light, dr polaris, queen kalista, evil star, major disaster, sinestro and **** ton of others i don't care to remember.
And remind me again what did black racer do apart from failing to claim fastback and lightray and get bfr'd by metron? Oh that's right, zilch. Nada. Jack shit.
Yes insult me some more and remind all of us of how tough you are, mr. internet tough guy.
facepalm Awful comprehension skills
What does redirecting Darkseid's attacks and stunning him mean you oaf? Oh that's right, he punked him, you pathetic punk. It's like you're splitting hairs to argue for argument's sake. and LMAO at "apokolips' universe destroying tech", yeah keep referencing post-Crisis issues. Just don't think your red herrings are fooling anyone here.
yes we knew that, captain obvious!!! We already knew that in the original story! So why are you acting like you've made some important discovery? I even in fact stated that Darkseid was destroyed by desaad's uni-cannon so orion didn't kill him. The embarassing thing is that ALE Darkseid was drained by fighting a nearly powerless high father. And after that, he got overpowered by orion's astro force and admitted as such:
Operator always gives his opinion but he neither favors marvel nor dc so expect his unbiased take on the matter supported by reasoning and evidence.
Originally posted by operator616Panthergod has done his same routine for years. He rarely comprehends anything will pull from other stories to try to argue his weak and desperate cases and pretend victory when the evidence is not portrayed like a Fox News or MSNBC show portrays politics. Extremely biased with an agenda.
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