Originally posted by carver9
No, he wins because he is strong enough to hurt Thor, moon busting power and his speed far exceeds Thor. You clinging to high showings doesn't change this because for every high showing you post, I can post 5 showings that contradicts that. Also, LOM said that the anime can be used here. Goku was moving at light speed as a kid.
The only lightspeed feats Goku has as a kid was the solar flare feat, which is an outlier
Also if you're going to complain about "averages only", surely you won't mind mountain level DBZ will you?
Good
Also "I can find 5 low showings for every high one". Same can be said of any fictional character, low ends will always outweigh the higher ones, they still count for nothing
Everyone everyone. Settle petal.
Goku speed is variable. It was somewhere in Ginyu Saga where Goku said that his max power is nothing compared to when he uses it in bursts. So Goku (using high end feats) has done things that might imply he is going faster than light. But he can only do that in small 'bursts'. All the other times he is Superduperultramega Hyper Sonic.
Or he isn't, Akira left a lot to the imagination with DBZ powers.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
You do know the first Broly movie takes place directly after the frieza saga? The androids did better against the Z fighters than Broly.
What?
Broly fought Goku and Gohan as mastered Ssjs, Vegeta and Trunks after they have been two times in the ROSAT and Piccolo (fused with Kami) after one training session in the ROSAT.
First Broly's movie happened indeed exactly during the Cell Games timeline of the manga, thus the cast was obviously exponentially stronger than they were during the Androids arc.
How can you debate something that you don't know, honestly?
Originally posted by carver9
I have no interest in this thread anymore since it isn't in the comic vs forum. Lowball away. By the way, Goku is far above class 100. Hell, kid Goku was class 100.
Completely agree.
It has also to be noticed that kid Goku was class 100 without even having Ki control (in fact, as reported in the SEG, kid Goku basically relied only on his physical abilities during fights until the training with Kami, when he first began to really understand and control Ki) while base Boo saga Goku is obviously miles ahead of that in pure physical strength, i.e. without even the need to use Ki.
As shown in the SEG and as told by AT himself, by the end of the show (Cell, Boo, BoG sagas), it's Ki that gives the majority of powers in a fight, since physical abilities have limits (which can only be overcome with Ki, indeed).
So, base Boo saga Goku with Ki (i.e. a full power base Boo saga Goku) is so much above and beyond class 100 it isn't even funny.
Originally posted by StealthRangerwhat are you basing this off of? It takes them large amounts of time to just traverse countries
DBZ chars were Mach 89 or so before the beginning of the Saiyan Saga
Mach 4, wtf?
EDIT: Unless you meant 3 to 4 digit range then, ignore this post
Originally posted by Sj_Sharpit has to have taken place before Vegeta and Trunks training in the hyperbolic time chamber because of Trunks appearence. I will say I honestly don't remember any mention of Kami in the movie but that may just be my mistake. GG angry dude.
What?
Broly fought Goku and Gohan as mastered Ssjs, Vegeta and Trunks after they have been two times in the ROSAT and Piccolo (fused with Kami) after one training session in the ROSAT.
First Broly's movie happened indeed exactly during the Cell Games timeline of the manga, thus the cast was obviously exponentially stronger than they were during the Androids arc.
How can you debate something that you don't know.
Originally posted by StealthRangerCell was shown to be holding back.
Mr Satan is also the comic relief of the verse. Might as well say Perfect Cell and Super Buu are only low kilojoule striking range because Mr Satan survived attacks from them
Originally posted by Dramatic Geckothats why i said this...
That's the same as Team Rocket falling from 1000 feet and living.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Lets agree the speed of Ki blasts are way to inconsistent to be used as a measuring stick
Originally posted by StealthRangeras apposed to trying to find a base line in a variable by using the highest showing possible.
>I'll nitpick a low end showing and acts like that invalidates everything else
>I don't like it so it didn't happen
Irony?