Pre Crisis Superman plants, sticks his chest out.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Alright, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are trying to be helpful with no other agenda. However, you are repeating a question I have LONG since addressed, which makes it difficult for me to understand why you would make the same assumption.

Bran has changed his point more than once, and he even admitted his first conclusion, that all DC antimatter depictions were deadly and therefore stronger than all Marvel antimatter. HE WAS WRONG. This was proven when DC antimatter failed to annihilate Supermans matter. So the notion that BMs antimatter is fundamentally different from the missiles antimatter is totally unsupported.

So what about the first example, Anti Monitor? This where part of your take mirrors mine, which is that different amounts of antimatter will have different effects. When you compared quicksilver to Flash, you compared like elements in different measures- not dissimilar elements. Antimatter is not measured in amperage by the way, but common sense tells us that bigger effects means Antimoniter had access to more of the stuff. For whatever reason, folks on the other side do not want to accept this simple, logical explanation. There is NO support for the notion that the antimatter AM had and the antimatter contained in the missile were fundamentally different. ZERO, NONE.

Now, I hope Bran understands MY point.

Well IIRC Anti matter from the COEI was pretty much causing a domino effect, as soon as anti-matter touched matter, matter became anti-matter, therefore replacing matter space with anti matter space

In the case of COEI you will just need to drop a tiny particle of anti-matter so this whole domino effect will start or that was the impression I got from it, let me check the comic anyway so I can be accurate on this

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Well IIRC Anti matter from the COEI was pretty much causing a domino effect, as soon as anti-matter touched matter, matter became anti-matter, therefore r

eplacing matter space with anti matter space

In the case of COEI you will just need to drop a tiny particle of anti-matter so this whole domino effect will start or that was the impression I got from it, let me check the comic anyway so I can be accurate on this

Thanks, but of course all of this is a side argument. Its pretty clear that an antimatter charged punch from BM would affect PCS without killing him or according to Bran, vaporizing him. 😆 The missile scan took away any possible doubt. By Bran's standard of antimatter needing to act like antimatter, it looks like the antimatter in Delta's scans "ain't shit."

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Great. So it didn't annihilate him on touch, correct? More defuncation of Branlor and company's bullshit. Thank you sir.

But that is a blast from a full power Anti-monitor

IIRC he had there the power of infinite universes as the anti matter universe filled the void of the matter universes destroyed

Am ran out of power and needed to take the heroes power at one point. He never had infinite power. Am is greatly exaggerated.

Getting away from this anti matter bs, and focusing on feats and power levels..

Isn't Blue Marvel around Superman/Hyperian/Thor level, as stated by the writer?

If the writers of the time thought PC Superman was tough enough to take a beating from an angry Savage Hulk, I can't see anyone but Iron Fist budging him (Due to magic weakness.)

A weaker gray Hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size of Earth, proving moon busting simply isn't good enough against PC Superman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Am ran out of power and needed to take the heroes power at one point. He never had infinite power. Am is greatly exaggerated.

Not on those comics.

AM Feed upon the anti matter that filled the matter empty space

The more universes he destroyed, the bigger the anti-matter universe became

Originally posted by cdtm
Getting away from this anti matter bs, and focusing on feats and power levels..

Isn't Blue Marvel around Superman/Hyperian/Thor level, as stated by the writer?

If the writers of the time thought PC Superman was tough enough to take a beating from an angry Savage Hulk, I can't see anyone but Iron Fist budging him (Due to magic weakness.)

A weaker gray Hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size of Earth, proving moon busting simply isn't good enough against PC Superman.

Hulk's strength levels also vary due to his dynamic strength.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Crossovers are banned so quit breaking the rules, sport.

Hulk's strength levels also vary due to his dynamic strength.

Hulk was explicitly getting pissed from a device making noise in his ear, though.

And yeah, it's not canon, but it does prove what the writers themselves thought. It's no less relevant then Abhi posting writer opinions on who would win.

Regardless, I think we can all agree "Thor/Hyperian level" is basically like an insect compared to PC Superman.

Originally posted by cdtm
Hulk was explicitly getting pissed from a device making noise in his ear, though.

And yeah, it's not canon, but it does prove what the writers themselves thought. It's no less relevant then Abhi posting writer opinions on who would win.

Regardless, I think we can all agree "Thor/Hyperian level" is basically like an insect compared to PC Superman.

I disagree. There are highs and lows and people want to just focus on the highs. Operator tore the pc era a new one.

Originally posted by cdtm
Hulk was explicitly getting pissed from a device making noise in his ear, though.

And yeah, it's not canon, but it does prove what the writers themselves thought. It's no less relevant then Abhi posting writer opinions on who would win.

Regardless, I think we can all agree "Thor/Hyperian level" is basically like an insect compared to PC Superman.

And it was published by Marvel 😄

Lol at Vet. I haven't seen a guy that reading impaired or butt hurt in a long time. It's actually soothing knowing he can't debate or properly convey points. No need to waste time besides a jab or ten.

Though I genuinely enjoy him thinking that Superman tanking anti matter fits into Blue Marvel effecting him. Like I said earlier, either way you slice anti matter, you're still going to have to back up Blue Marvel with his own feats. Which has been my point the entire time. Also lol at me saying DC am was ever better than the company of Marvel's. He keeps saying it, but he must be blinded by hate and a load of protein in his eye.

Incoming thirty posts with my name in it with the dumbest ****ing points ever. If Superman tanked Anti matter from Anti Monitor then surely that fits into Blue Marvel damaging Superman. The idiocy here.

I'm shocked Stoic hasn't told him to stop cheerleading. Though maybe he like the rest of us want to see how butt furious he gets.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it doesn't. If you want we can do so and I can say Surfer crushes Orion easily. WOlverine beats Lobo, etc.

I disagree. There are highs and lows and people want to just focus on the highs. Operator tore the pc era a new one.

No he didn't. Proving the PC era was variable, isn't "tearing the PC era a new one".. Highs are still highs, and even his PC average is well above Thor level.. (Although TBH, so is Silver Surfer's, and for some reason he gets downplayed a lot here on KMC.. Likely because in direct fights with Thor, writers nerf Surfer pretty hard..)

Originally posted by cdtm
No he didn't. Proving the PC era was variable, isn't "tearing the PC era a new one".. Highs are still highs, and even his PC average is well above Thor level.. (Although TBH, so is Silver Surfer's, and for some reason he gets downplayed a lot here on KMC.. Likely because in direct fights with Thor, writers nerf Surfer pretty hard..)

Surfer crushed Orion easily since you want to let crossovers count. Quit picking and choosing.

Originally posted by cdtm
Getting away from this anti matter bs, and focusing on feats and power levels..

Isn't Blue Marvel around Superman/Hyperian/Thor level, as stated by the writer?

If the writers of the time thought PC Superman was tough enough to take a beating from an angry Savage Hulk, I can't see anyone but Iron Fist budging him (Due to magic weakness.)

A weaker gray Hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size of Earth, proving moon busting simply isn't good enough against PC Superman.

Well, the last part is ABC logic at it's finest. As far as the first point about BM being on the level of the tier you mentioned, the fact of the matter is that he has been depicted a tad higher than them, and deliberately so. King Hyperion for example was killing versions of himself with ease and BM soundly defeated him. Antiman and Pagan busted Avengers teams- BM busted them solo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Highs and lows are all factored in to determine the average. I disagree.

Surfer crushed Orion easily since you want to let crossovers count. Quit picking and choosing.

....I actually don't have a problem with that showing... 😮

Late to the party, but have to agree with Bran. BM uses Anti Matter to amp his physicality levels. BM's anti matter does not have destructive properties. Do we see the anti matter punch destroy matter when his fists comes in contact with his opponent? No damage is seen accept for what would have been caused by a high herald level being punching his opponent.

Don't know why people keeps bringing up the Hulk and PC Superman fight. Hulk koed him.."miles away across the metropolis river, his limp body plunges to Earth.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/hulkvssupermanf14bs9_zps760db16e.jpg.html

Superman didn't show back up until a lot of panels later. Please use another fight.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Late to the party, but have to agree with Bran. BM uses Anti Matter to amp his physicality levels. BM's anti matter does not have destructive properties. Do we see the anti matter punch destroy matter when his fists comes in contact with his opponent? No damage is seen accept for what would have been caused by a high herald level being punching his opponent.

But yeah seriously. BM's energy based off what it's been used for might as well be PC. I don't get the issue here.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Lol at Vet. I haven't seen a guy that reading impaired or butt hurt in a long time. It's actually soothing knowing he can't debate or properly convey points. No need to waste time besides a jab or ten.

Though I genuinely enjoy him thinking that Superman tanking anti matter fits into Blue Marvel effecting him. Like I said earlier, either way you slice anti matter, you're still going to have to back up Blue Marvel with his own feats. Which has been my point the entire time. Also lol at me saying DC am was ever better than the company of Marvel's. He keeps saying it, but he must be blinded by hate and a load of protein in his eye.

Incoming thirty posts with my name in it with the dumbest ****ing points ever. If Superman tanked Anti matter from Anti Monitor then surely that fits into Blue Marvel damaging Superman. The idiocy here.

I'm shocked Stoic hasn't told him to stop cheerleading. Though maybe he like the rest of us want to see how butt furious he gets.

Nice try. Now I know why your handle sounds like that of a random Nascar driver- all you do is make left turns. Sorry you've run clean out of fresh bullshit and have to recycle. Still claiming BM doesn't have feats because his antimatter didn't "evaporate" matter? I actually pity you.

As to your kindergarten reasoning skills, the reason Superman not being killed by antimatter is significant is because it diffuses your contention that antimatter has to "act like antimatter" in comics. Because BMs antimatter punches didn't "evaporate" the trans level characters he was spanking, you said it wasn't shit. Well by that standard, both AM and the missiles antimatter also didn't do shit. No evaporation to speak of.

Let me turn another point against you. In both depictions, Superman did not "tank" the antimatter. He was clearly hurt by it. He screamed. He flat out said it. You saw it. All of this supports Stoics point that an antimatter punch would "light him up" while completing shitting on your suggestion that antimatter from DC behaves like act just actual antimatter. It didn't evaporate shit you mongoloid. Now are you going to deny you made the claim that it would?

So really, you haven't proven a single one of your lofty claims. Nothing but eft turns. You can cover your naked ass up now. 😂

Originally posted by Diesldude
Late to the party, but have to agree with Bran. BM uses Anti Matter to amp his physicality levels. BM's anti matter does not have destructive properties. Do we see the anti matter punch destroy matter when his fists comes in contact with his opponent? No damage is seen accept for what would have been caused by a high herald level being punching his opponent.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If you agree with me then you're retarded according to Vet. You don't want to look bad in his eyes do you?

But yeah seriously. BM's energy based off what it's been used for might as well be PC. I don't get the issue here.

I've thought about that too. Clearly the spirit of the thread is for him to have antimatter added to his punch, but is there anything actually saying he can project or use antimatter offensively? I only read his mini, and could've missed something, but I don't recall anything like that. And I took him being a "stable antimatter reactor" from his bio to be it being more like an energy source FOR him to get his powers, not him projecting it.

So, ANYBODY have something from the comics about him projecting antimatter or anything like that?