Originally posted by Nephthys
Yoda didn't toy with Dooku, no.The fact that Obi-Wan kicked his and his brothers ass?
Yoda toyed with Dooku more than Sidious toyed with Maul, Dooku didn't even touched Yoda while Maul managed to hit Sidious physically.
Obi-Wan kicked Maul's ass ? Lol. Thats Savage Opress, not Maul.
Maul defeated Obi-Wan 3 or 4 times, mostly with force attacks, and one time without a force attack ;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1fSg_mCId8
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
lol@Soresu being useless against Makashi because reasons, but Djem So is so much better because reasons. It's like you think Saber forms have some type of rock-paper-scissors system.
Yes because it is. Makashi is the ultimate lightsaber to lightsaber combat form, however it is weak against strong kinetic attacks and physical attacks. Except Juyo & Djem-so, Makashi is superior to every lightsaber form in lightsaber duel.
If you have any solid explanation for Anakin vs. Obi-Wan / Anakin vs. Dooku / Obi-Wan vs. Dooku confrontations, by my guest.
Originally posted by Marco1907
Obi-Wan has no tool to threat Dooku, Obi-Wan's defensive technique (soresu) is completely useless against Dooku's fencing style (makashi).Which is why, Anakin defeated Dooku but failed at Obi-Wan, while Obi-Wan failed at Dooku but defeated Anakin.
That reasoning is stupid. Every lightsaber form has its pros and cons, but it isn't THAT important. Someone's skill > lightsaber form
Originally posted by Nalaniel
That reasoning is stupid. Every lightsaber form has its pros and cons, but it isn't THAT important. Someone's skill > lightsaber form
Fisto is one of the only people who has ever managed to make the style he uses great for combat.... No one else managed to turn it into a fencing form.
Uh, yeah that is true, especially with the three forms given. Fisto is the only one to use that Form to the fullest simply because the Form itself isn't really that optimal. If you put the absolute master of Shi-Cho against the absolute master of Juyo, I doubt form would matter as much as skill and Force strength.
Originally posted by Nalaniel
That reasoning is stupid. Every lightsaber form has its pros and cons, but it isn't THAT important. Someone's skill > lightsaber form
That matters in same levels, and Obi-Wan , Anakin , Dooku all of them mastered their own techniques. Of course a soresu master can defeat a mid tier makashi practitioner. I meant the same level opponents.
Originally posted by King Joker
Just saying, but Dooku couldn't even break Kenobi's defense without the Force and physical strikes.
Which he did with ease.
Also, I'm pretty sure he did just straight up out duel him in the AotC movie, when he sliced his shoulder then leg. That's what I remember, anyway.
Originally posted by Board Walker
No idea where people have derived the belief that makashi is weak against physical attacks.Dooku lost to anakin because anakin had infinite power, stamina, and was the chosen one. Dooku has fought physical power houses without a problem such as his duels with windu, maul, and savage.
Where was these Anakin's ''infinite power, stamina'' against Obi-Wan ?
And Anakin is not the only one who is overpowered Dooku via physical, Savage Opress did the same.
Windu always holds back in sparring matches if you meant the old matchups between Dooku & Windu,
and Dooku never faced with Maul.
Yes because it is. Makashi is the ultimate lightsaber to lightsaber combat form, however it is weak against strong kinetic attacks and physical attacks. Except Juyo & Djem-so, Makashi is superior to every lightsaber form in lightsaber duel.
If you have any solid explanation for Anakin vs. Obi-Wan / Anakin vs. Dooku / Obi-Wan vs. Dooku confrontations, by my guest. [/B]
Originally posted by Trocity
Which he did with ease.
Also, I'm pretty sure he did just straight up out duel him in the AotC movie, when he sliced his shoulder then leg. That's what I remember, anyway.
And RotS Kenobi is far superior to AotC Kenobi.
Savage over powered anakin, and kenobi just as easily.
In the novel it clearly describes that anakin was infinite forge of energy, and that he was becoming stronger every second. Anakin was no where near the same mind set when he fought kenobi, that is why he didnt defeat him in the same manner.
No saber form holds an advantage against another, it is silly to think that fighting styles work in some sort of A beats B beats c format.
Originally posted by Marco1907
Yoda toyed with Dooku more than Sidious toyed with Maul, Dooku didn't even touched Yoda while Maul managed to hit Sidious physically.Obi-Wan kicked Maul's ass ? Lol. Thats Savage Opress, not Maul.
Maul defeated Obi-Wan 3 or 4 times, mostly with force attacks, and one time without a force attack ;
Nah, Yoda isn't mentioned as toying with Dooku ever. Sidious was ****ing around the whole fight.
Filoni stated that Kenobi won that fight. Maul ran.