Talzin and Maul vs Sidious and Dooku

Originally posted by Board Walker
No saber form holds an advantage against another, it is silly to think that fighting styles work in some sort of A beats B beats c format.

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Some forms are more advanced than others though. Just compare Niman to Juyo.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah, Yoda isn't mentioned as toying with Dooku ever. Sidious was ****ing around the whole fight.

Filoni stated that Kenobi won that fight. Maul ran.

Yoda is saying that '' practice I had with Dooku...'' Practice ?...

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Karasakal/StarWarsCloneWarsVolume1-089_zpsff696921.jpg

Is this looks like ****ing around... ???

http://i.hizliresim.com/BogBBM.jpg

http://i.hizliresim.com/nYoqqM.jpg

Maul only ran from Kenobi because Savage wounded heavily, not because Maul lost it...

Your post is full of biased opinions...

Originally posted by NewGuy01
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Some forms are more advanced than others though. Just compare Niman to Juyo.

Completely inaccurate, complexity is not dependent upon the form itself but rather upon the one who utilizes it.

All combat forms at their core are simplistic, they are built upon a singular strategy and then employ tactics to achieve that strategic goal. The only true difference between fighting forms are their strategic goal, and the tactics they use to achieve that goal.

Complexity has nothing to do with it at all, and it is merely a concept you are using in an attempt to justify your opinion of ranking one form over another.

"Only high level masters of multiple forms can achieve the ultimate fighting discipline known as Juyo. This is the most difficult and demanding of all forms, but can eventually result in amazing power and skill"

-Form VII

"It is considered the diplomats form because it is less intensive in its demands than the other disciplines, allowing Jedi to spend more time developing their other skills."

-Form VI

Originally posted by NewGuy01
"Only high level masters of multiple forms can achieve the ultimate fighting discipline known as Juyo. This is the most difficult and demanding of all forms, but can eventually result in amazing power and skill"

-Form VII

"It is considered the diplomats form because it is less intensive in its demands than the other disciplines, allowing Jedi to spend more time developing their other skills."

-Form VI

Niman is exactly the same as Juyo in terms of complexity, both forms have limitless potential. Those descriptions are stating that most diplomats choose to train in Niman, and only do so to a very limited extent. It states nothing about the complexity, limitations, and or potential of the form.

Niman just like Juyo is a mixture of multiple forms, and when one trains just as heavily in niman as one would in Juyo the results are similar.

Examples of individuals who trained in Niman heavily, and not lightly as a diplomat are Exar Kun, Revan, and potentially Sidious.

More complex =/= better. Of course with you, not sure why any of us are bothering.

Again I refer you to Shii-Cho.

It was never considered to be a good form at all for dueling, Fisto was the only one.

Fisto isn't the only one who perfected Shii-Cho, but even if he was, being the only one to advance in an art doesn't mean that the art itself is inferior.

Originally posted by Selenial
Again I refer you to Shii-Cho.

It was never considered to be a good form at all for dueling, Fisto was the only one.

Um what about Lucien Draay? he completely destroyed four/three jedi iirc with Shii-Cho 😬

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Um what about Lucien Draay? he completely destroyed four/three jedi iirc with Shii-Cho 😬

Which is the point of Shii-Cho, to face multiple, less skilled fighters at once.

Competing with someone on the same level of you just doesn't work unless you're fisto.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Fisto isn't the only one who perfected Shii-Cho, but even if he was, being the only one to advance in an art doesn't mean that the art itself is inferior.

Except if he'd mastered Soresu, Makashi or Juyo to that level, he would be Mace/Kenobi/Dooku in terms of sabers.

Originally posted by Selenial
Except if he'd mastered Soresu, Makashi or Juyo to that level, he would be Mace/Kenobi/Dooku in terms of sabers.

Originally posted by Marco1907

Yes because it is. Makashi is the ultimate lightsaber to lightsaber combat form, however it is weak against strong kinetic attacks and physical attacks. Except Juyo & Djem-so, Makashi is superior to every lightsaber form in lightsaber duel.

Look at the underlined parts and tell me, is Makashi the Ultimate Lightsaber to Lightsaber combat form or not?

If it's not as good as Juyo or Djem So, then it's NOT the ultimate fencing form.

So is it or isn't it?

Originally posted by Marco1907
If you have any solid explanation for Anakin vs. Obi-Wan / Anakin vs. Dooku / Obi-Wan vs. Dooku confrontations, by my guest.

Well apart from the fact that Dooku fought Anakin with help from Kenobi, and apart from the fact that Anakin has shown he can simply Tank Dooku's TK Attacks far far better than Obi-Wan and apart from the fact that Kenobi and Anakin know each others moves and style very well.... Apart from all that, Soresu is just better at defending. That doesn't make Makashi weak at defending. It's actually also very good at that.

Now your welcome to explain that if Dooku loses to Anakin simply because he uses Djem So, then why wasn't Anakin beating Dooku every time they fought in TCW? In fact the very last time they fought in TCW (which wouldn't have been far off from ROTS) Dooku was outclassing Obi-Wan and Skywalker together.

In fact you can also explain how even in ROTS Dooku outclassed Kenobi and Skywalker together at one point? Flooring Skywalker leaving him helpless for a good 10 seconds?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah, Yoda isn't mentioned as toying with Dooku ever.

Well Sidious isn't mentioned as doing that either. Although it would be pretty f***ing stupid of Yoda if he was toying around with him considering the circumstances.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sidious was ****ing around the whole fight.

Well if you're referring to the laughter, then it wasn't literally the whole fight.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And yet still uses Shii-Cho. Doesn't really disprove that no form is undoubtedly inferior to another.

You're not listening.

He uses Shii-Cho, like a lot of Jedi, because there wasn't exactly much lightsaber dueling going on during the 1000 years where no one ever fighted Sith.

They needed to be good at blaster deflecting or fighting a lot of less skilled Vibroblade/melee fighter.

Makashi is the ultimate dueling form.
"Master Windu himself remained perfectly balanced and centered. In the history of the Jedi Order, only two opponents ever overcame him in battle. One was Master Yoda, who some said was the Order's true master of lightsaber combat. The other was former Master Dooku, whose own fighting style was archaic, yet stunningly effective."

Djem So is not superior to Makashi imo. If you put two individuals with even skill and moderately similar stats, the Makashi user will win everytime imo.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Makashi is the ultimate dueling form.
"Master Windu himself remained perfectly balanced and centered. In the history of the Jedi Order, only [B]two opponents ever overcame him in battle. One was Master Yoda, who some said was the Order's true master of lightsaber combat. The other was former Master Dooku, whose own fighting style was archaic, yet stunningly effective."

Djem So is not superior to Makashi imo. If you put two individuals with even skill and moderately similar stats, the Makashi user will win everytime imo. [/B]

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Sad, that still there are a people who believes, that Stover's BS about Makashi vs Djem So is a canon.

There is a possiblity for Sidious to defeat this team alone. With Dooku, it should be one sided. Espiecially if this is Dooku at his full shape (unlike in SoD).

Yeah Dooku would get his ass kicked if he tried fighting Maul and Talzin at once

Originally posted by Selenial
You're not listening.

He uses Shii-Cho, like a lot of Jedi, because there wasn't exactly much lightsaber dueling going on during the 1000 years where no one ever fighted Sith.

They needed to be good at blaster deflecting or fighting a lot of less skilled Vibroblade/melee fighter.

I also don't see how the high point of lightsaber combat suddenly became the lowpoint, either.