Meetra Surik Vs Vitiate

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What the **** are you smoking? Everything you said there is wrong. Everything.
An entire village in Ethiopia just burned down there only computer after processing your argument above.

Racist and lacking any genuine debate, you're funny in a really sad way, I'll give you that.

Scourge praise and some Revan praise is not evidence enough for me to state that an obvious Lightsaber practitioner is a superior Force Master than the two most powerful Jedi of the OSW era.

*Insert argument revolving around HoT defeating a weakened Voice here*

Yes I did see that part coming from a mile away.

Apparently the difference between me and you is that I take actual feats above hyperbolic statements.

No statement provides the evidence that Revan is a light side master

"A champion of the light."
―Bastila Shan (Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan)

"It was easy to understand how Scourge could be drawn to him; Revan's command of the Force was greater then that of anyone else she had ever met."
―Meetra Surik (Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan)

nor a dark side master

"At the height of the Jedi Civil War, the Sith Empire covers nearly one-third of the known galaxy, with many worlds hotly contested between the Republic and the Sith Empire. Some worlds join the Sith Empire willingly, while others are taken by force. Dozens if not hundreds of Sith apprentices learn the ways of the dark side of the Force, and a few even rise to the rank of Sith Master, training students of their own. With legions of armored troopers, spreading throughout the galaxy, all led by masters of the Force, the Sith Empire seems unstoppable."
―Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

Originally posted by AncientPower
Racist and lacking any genuine debate, you're funny in a really sad way, I'll give you that.

Scourge praise and some Revan praise is not evidence enough for me to state that an obvious Lightsaber practitioner is a superior Force Master than the two most powerful Jedi of the OSW era.

*Insert argument revolving around HoT defeating a weakened Voice here*

Yes I did see that part coming from a mile away.

Apparently the difference between me and you is that I take actual feats above hyperbolic statements.

Also, what forum are you from? swtor? comicvine?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You put Kun on tier with Vitiate. Yeah, forgive me when not taking you serious in a "debate."
Meetra Surik is implied to be on the level of Lord Scourge ([b]Revan novel). Yes, power. Extremely powerful? Not at all. [/B]

Oh sorry, I forgot hyperbole > feats in your opinion.

Lord Scourge's OWN opinion is evidence enough for you to state that Meetra = Scourge? funny. Inb4 Imp Gs argument.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Oh sorry, I forgot hyperbole > feats in your opinion.

Lord Scourge's OWN opinion is evidence enough for you to state that Meetra = Scourge? funny. Inb4 Imp Gs argument.

Scourge's opinion is supported with them doing equally as awful against Darth Nyriss.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
You of all people saying that is pretty funny.

Originally posted by AncientPower
No statement provides the evidence that Revan is a light side master, nor a dark side master, unless of course you have something I've missed.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I lol'd. Did you read the novel? I highly doubt Scourge would say any of the things he did about Revan's understanding of the Force and command of it if he wasn't a master. I also highly doubt the Jedi Council would make him a master...if he wasn't a master.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

"...[Revan is among] the most powerful Jedi Masters...."
―Star Wars: The Ultimate Visual Guide

[b]"A champion of the light."
―Bastila Shan (Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan)

[b]"It was easy to understand how Scourge could be drawn to him; Revan's command of the Force was greater then that of anyone else she had ever met."
―Meetra Surik (Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan)

[b]"The ruling Dark Lord of the Sith is a master of the Dark Side of the Force."
―Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

[b]"At the height of the Jedi Civil War, the Sith Empire covers nearly one-third of the known galaxy, with many worlds hotly contested between the Republic and the Sith Empire. Some worlds join the Sith Empire willingly, while others are taken by force. Dozens if not hundreds of Sith apprentices learn the ways of the dark side of the Force, and a few even rise to the rank of Sith Master, training students of their own. With legions of armored troopers, spreading throughout the galaxy, all led by masters of the Force, the Sith Empire seems unstoppable."
―Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

Two IU opinions and hyperbole statements from the KotOR CG? If we want to take KotOR CG statements as all encompassing canon statements I guess we can start sticking the Triumvirate on the top 3 Sith lists then, but I don't think that would fly, do you?

Has Darth Revan absorbed planets? has he unleashed FLS storms that wiped out legions or a Dark Council? Has he ever used Sorcery?

I could go on and on, but again I will always take genuine feats above hyperbole any day. If Darth Revan was a master of the Dark Side, how come he got dominated by the Emperor in an all out fight in his most powerful incarnation?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t586426.html

Also, what forum are you from? swtor? comicvine?

Neither, but I hardly see how this is relevant.

Has Darth Revan absorbed planets?

has he unleashed FLS storms that wiped out legions or a Dark Council?

Two IU opinions and hyperbole statements from the KotOR CG?

"The Jedi's command of and connection to the Force was unlike anything Scourge had sensed in anyone else. Even though Revan was constantly drugged, it was impossible not to sense his strength."
―Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan

A very nice thread, well made, unfortunately for all we know HoT was a DS.

If Darth Revan was a master of the Dark Side, how come he got dominated by the Emperor in an all out fight in his most powerful incarnation?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

So if you aren't Darth Nihilus, you aren't a master of the Darkside?
And Revan is stated to be superior to Nihilus actually via Meetra's own thoughts. 😉

He used a Force Lightning storm to utterly dominate some Rakata-patrols (who are resistant to the Force) and rancors, so yes.

I see you have never read the first Darth Bane novel. Yes.

Hyperbole? No. IU? Yes, but it's coming from the exact character you say can rival Revan. In addition, you ignore the statement from TUVG, and we have another from the narrator himself:

"The Jedi's command of and connection to the Force was unlike anything Scourge had sensed in anyone else. Even though Revan was constantly drugged, it was impossible not to sense his strength."
―Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan

This forum recognizes the lightside path as canon, and the HoT has even better feats as DS. 😬

Dumbass, Revan wasn't even a Sith Lord yet. He was merely a corrupted Jedi Knight. *facepalm* [/B]

If you think Darth Nihilus is the only one who has done that then I don't even know....

Yeh that does not compare, it compares more with Bane's own similar feat.

Meetra Surik always saw Revan as a man to look up to, at least somewhat. If she said Revan was the most powerful being in the universe would that also be valid?

Scourge didn't exactly have the biggest exposure to the Empire's leaders by that point, nor anyone else.

Oh and I have read PoD, but having knowledge of it and actually practicing it are two entirely different things.

Indeed, he/she does, but whilst Neph does an excellent job compiling feats and statements I still don't see that rivaling what Meetra and Revan have done themselves.

I see your comprehension of the English language is below par, please come back to me when you realize that statement refers to Revan novel fight (Hint:'most powerful incarnation'😉, not the Revan and Alek 'fight'.

If you think Darth Nihilus is the only one who has done that then I don't even know....

Yeh that does not compare, it compares more with Bane's own similar feat.

Indeed, he/she does, but whilst Neph does an excellent job compiling feats and statements I still don't see that rivaling what Meetra and Revan have done themselves.

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Honestly, I'm not going to waist my time with someone who ignores the entire Revan novel, then decides to debate Meetra vs Revan. Like, seriously?:

"A burst of purple lightning arched down the steps, catching both men in the chest. They barely had time to scream before they were turned into charred and smoking husks...
She raised her free hand above her hand above her head and fired off another burst of lightning. Both Scourge and Meetra threw themselves clear of the deadly electrical bolt, but in doing so gave Nyriss the early advantage. Before they could recover, she leapt at them. Despite her withered appearance, she moved with all the speed and ferocity of a dark side warrior in her prime. She landed right between the two adversaries, her blade flashing back and forth in a series of slashes and cuts that immediately threw her two opponents on the defensive. Scourge barely managed to parry the first wave of her assault, unable to even thing about countering with an attack of his own. Another quick thrust foced him off balanced and he staggered backwards. Nyriss seized on the opportunity to focus all her efforts on breaking through Meetra's defenses. The Jedi was clearly outmatched; though she managed to hold her ground, she was forced down on one knee. In the awkward position her right flank was exposed, and Nyriss brought her blade in to deliver a crippling cut. At the same time, Scourge lashed out with the Force, catching Nyriss flush in the center of her chest. An ordinary foe would have been thrown clear across the room, but Nyriss instinctively threw up a Force barrier to protect herself, absorbing and redirecting the brunt of the impact. Even so, Scourge's attack knocked her off balance just enough time to send her lightsaber wide of the mark, giving Meetra the opportunity she needed to scramble away to safety. Scourge rushed forward, hoping to drive Nyriss back into a corner, but she mat his charge was an invisible wave of rippling energy. It picked Scourge and tossed him head-over-heals, sending him crashing into the wall. Dazed, he looked up just in time to see another bolt of violet lightning to catch Meetra in the chest. Like Nyriss, she threw up a barrier to save herself from the worst of it, but she was still knocked from her feet. 'Did you think I would be as easy to defeat as Xedrix?' Nyriss shouted, raising her lightsaber triumphantly above her head. The air around her began to crackle and grow hot as she gathered herself for the killing blow. Scourge felt the energy building inside her, and he knew he was powerless to stop it. Nyrisss was too powerful; her command of the dark side was too strong."
―Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan

...compared to this:

"Revan's raw power in the Force bends Nyris's Sith lightning back at her, utterly destroying the Sith Lord."
―Star Wars The Essential Reader's Companion
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I'm off to bed though, so I won't reply until later then (if you do respond).

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

Others who have consumed planets? Please enlighten me on such others.
Sidious could only destroy fleets. Vitiate required a ritual to drain a planet. And those are the only two close.

I don't really understand what you are getting at here. Exar Kun doesn't even have lightning feats in general, lmfao.

Read the sentence again then. It's not Meetra's personal opinion, hence the narrator describing Meetra as "her."
It is rather instead the narrator stating Meetra is not surprised over Scourge's awe.

Knowledge on how to use them still counts in my book.
Though, such is irrelevant. Aleema Keto knew sorcery, I guess she is among the best. 😬

Seriously? You think Tython would be toyed by Nyriss?

I was hoping such wasn't true, because then you would confirm my suspicions of you trolling. SWTORE states, "he even nearly assassinated the Sith Emperor."
He was able to contend with the Emperor on even grounds until a Force Lightning Storm was unleashed, something that was ultimately more powerful then his lightsaber or tutaminis.

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Honestly, I'm not going to waist my time with someone who ignores the entire Revan novel, then decides to debate Meetra vs Revan. Like, seriously?:

"A burst of purple lightning arched down the steps, catching both men in the chest. They barely had time to scream before they were turned into charred and smoking husks...
She raised her free hand above her hand above her head and fired off another burst of lightning. Both Scourge and Meetra threw themselves clear of the deadly electrical bolt, but in doing so gave Nyriss the early advantage. Before they could recover, she leapt at them. Despite her withered appearance, she moved with all the speed and ferocity of a dark side warrior in her prime. She landed right between the two adversaries, her blade flashing back and forth in a series of slashes and cuts that immediately threw her two opponents on the defensive. Scourge barely managed to parry the first wave of her assault, unable to even thing about countering with an attack of his own. Another quick thrust foced him off balanced and he staggered backwards. Nyriss seized on the opportunity to focus all her efforts on breaking through Meetra's defenses. The Jedi was clearly outmatched; though she managed to hold her ground, she was forced down on one knee. In the awkward position her right flank was exposed, and Nyriss brought her blade in to deliver a crippling cut. At the same time, Scourge lashed out with the Force, catching Nyriss flush in the center of her chest. An ordinary foe would have been thrown clear across the room, but Nyriss instinctively threw up a Force barrier to protect herself, absorbing and redirecting the brunt of the impact. Even so, Scourge's attack knocked her off balance just enough time to send her lightsaber wide of the mark, giving Meetra the opportunity she needed to scramble away to safety. Scourge rushed forward, hoping to drive Nyriss back into a corner, but she mat his charge was an invisible wave of rippling energy. It picked Scourge and tossed him head-over-heals, sending him crashing into the wall. Dazed, he looked up just in time to see another bolt of violet lightning to catch Meetra in the chest. Like Nyriss, she threw up a barrier to save herself from the worst of it, but she was still knocked from her feet. 'Did you think I would be as easy to defeat as Xedrix?' Nyriss shouted, raising her lightsaber triumphantly above her head. The air around her began to crackle and grow hot as she gathered herself for the killing blow. Scourge felt the energy building inside her, and he knew he was powerless to stop it. Nyrisss was too powerful; her command of the dark side was too strong."
―Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan

...compared to this:

"Revan's raw power in the Force bends Nyris's Sith lightning back at her, utterly destroying the Sith Lord."
―Star Wars The Essential Reader's Companion
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I'm off to bed though, so I won't reply until later then (if you do respond). [/B]

Sidious was slowly absorbing the entire life force of Byss.

Exar Kun absorbed the Massassi and between his rage and the WoL practically annihilated the surface of Yavin IV.

Plagueis had plans and apparently the means to, absorb a planet.

Exar Kun does have lightning feats, but this does confirm my suspicions that you know hack all about his power:

"Kyp stretched out his arm, lightning like black cracks in the Force rendered Luke helpless, another of Kun's gifts to his new apprentice."

She was among the best actually, her weakness was that it was her only source of power, but her illusions rivaled that of any other Sorcery practitioner.

HoT wouldn't as evidently his/her master's mental ward kept him/her immune to the mental influences of the Dark Side, more importantly Kaas' Nexus and the Emperor's mental influence.

He was able to contend with the Emperor? that is funny, because as far as I saw, he was on the backfoot for 95% of their fight and was saved twice by his allies from assured death.

I am not ignoring the Revan novel, you simply refuse to believe anyone could be on par with your almighty Lord Revan, sorry I don't take the word of fanboys.

Revan can draw on both sides of the Force, the nexus wouldn't effect him nearly as badly as someone who outright refuses the Dark Side entirely.

Sidious was slowly absorbing the entire life force of Byss.

Exar Kun absorbed the Massassi and between his rage and the WoL practically annihilated the surface of Yavin IV.

Plagueis had plans and apparently the means to, absorb a planet.

She was among the best actually, her weakness was that it was her only source of power, but her illusions rivaled that of any other Sorcery practitioner.

HoT wouldn't as evidently his/her master's mental ward kept him/her immune to the mental influences of the Dark Side, more importantly Kaas' Nexus and the Emperor's mental influence.

[b]He was able to contend with the Emperor? that is funny, because as far as I saw, he was on the backfoot for 95% of their fight and was saved twice by his allies from assured death.

I am not ignoring the Revan novel, you simply refuse to believe anyone could be on par with your almighty Lord Revan, sorry I don't take the word of fanboys.

Revan can draw on both sides of the Force, the nexus wouldn't effect him nearly as badly as someone who outright refuses the Dark Side entirely.

Originally posted by AncientPower
She was among the best actually, her weakness was that it was her only source of power, but her illusions rivaled that of any other Sorcery practitioner.

Don't be too hard on the disabled. He's from swtor forums.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

Seriously? Had plans? That doesn't count for jack shit. I had plans to take Neph on a date yesterday, never happened.
Yes, I already mentioned Sidious, and he didn't consume the planet, let alone numerous planets.
Exar Kun didn't come close to consuming Yavin 4. He merely consumed the race via a ritual, not his own power.

Someone else unleashing lightning does not make it a lightning feat for Exar Kun. 😬

Are we talking about Aleema Keto here?

The Emperor's mental influence was not effecting Meetra, and the Kaas' Nexus merely made Meetra shiver, it did not hamper her abilities to such a degree her powers went from being able to get stomped by Nyriss to being capable of beating her.

Revan charged the Emperor, the Emperor pushed him backwards.
Revan unleashed a Force in Balance blast, the Emperor flew backwards.
As of right now, it's tied. The Emperor then unleashed lightning bolts at Revan.
The final lightning back was reflected back at the Emperor, with now Revan having the advantage.
Revan was then ultimately beaten by a Force Lightning storm he had no methods to defend against.

No person on this forum besides Selenial puts Meetra on the same tier as Revan. No one.

He draws on both sides equally, but also a greater command of the Force then Meetra. His Lightside energy would be hampered.
Once again, thinking the nexus changed the outcome from Meetra stomping Nyriss to vis-versa is laughable. [/B]

Having the means to does however.

Sidious was absorbing the life force of the planet as his personal luxury, without ritual and could control it all quite easily.

He absorbed the death of all life on the planet actually, it's how he sustained himself for four thousand years.

It does when Kyp is the person he is possessing and teaching, btw this is just after pulling the Suncrusher out of the core of Yavin Prime and bringing it all the way down to the apex of the temple.

Yes we are and as an untrained teenager she was turning people into charred corpses without even trying.

Nice assumption on your part, despite every single Jedi bar the HoT being effected severely by the planet. Hell it turned Kyle Katarn to the brink of the Dark Side, rendered Ben's abilities useless, gave Jaina a severe migraine and also made YODA's ability to channel the Force practically invalid.

Soloing the Triumvirate in the heart of Malachor V, whilst being crushed under a gravity well and haunted by the spirits of the planet is a far greater feat than what defeating Nyriss would of been. Traya & Sion > Nyriss by such a margin that it's laughable.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Don't be too hard on the disabled. He's from swtor forums.

Having the means to does however.

He absorbed the death of all life on the planet actually, it's how he sustained himself for four thousand years.

"Knowing he would be defeated, Kun tapped the life forces of all the Massassi to seal and preserve his consciousness within his temple. As a last measure, Kun left behind the night beast, an alchemical creation, to guard his legacy. The Jedi task force succeeded in killing Kun's body, but the assault also laid waste to many of Yavin 4's jungles and killed what few Massassi were left. All that remained of the species were their massive monuments."
--Star Wars Databanks

It does when Kyp is the person he is possessing and teaching, btw this is just after pulling the Suncrusher out of the core of Yavin Prime and bringing it all the way down to the apex of the temple.

Soloing the Triumvirate in the heart of Malachor V, whilst being crushed under a gravity well and haunted by the spirits of the planet is a far greater feat than what defeating Nyriss would of been. Traya & Sion > Nyriss by such a margin that it's laughable.