Runner/Silver Surfer vs Zoom/Flash

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Originally posted by Inhuman
well i think my theory is more plausible than the writer intending flash to go a trillion times the speed of light or whatever.
But its not really a theory because its right there in plain English what he meant.
What is shown>>>>>>what writer meant. Why? Because the character has actually done it.

You should take your own advice h1.

Originally posted by Stoic
You should take your own advice h1.
I do, all the time.

And yeah, Flash can run in space.

http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view&current=probejla3.jpg
http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view&current=probejla4.jpg

Not that it helps him much.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And yeah, Flash can run in space.

http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view&current=probejla3.jpg
http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view&current=probejla4.jpg

Not that it helps him much.

Has it ever been explained how a human like the Flash can breath in space or does he not even need to do that now?

Also, in those scans, why was Plastic Man there? Did Plastic Man travel in space too?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Barry did it too, Pre-Crisis.

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3876557

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3876558

Team 2.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And yeah, Flash can run in space.

http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view&current=probejla3.jpg
http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view&current=probejla4.jpg

Not that it helps him much.

😕

How is he breathing?

And does he have the same kind of speed feats running in space, or in air e.t.c.?

Iirc when Bart was punching on SBP, he escaped by just flying into space.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I've read it and I believe they still get destroyed...

Going by your own "evidence" Runners durability is maxed out (a 7 indicates completely invulnerable...doesnt it?); his durability and strength is even greater than his speed (which is BS; those cards are garbage, but whatever)...

They wont be able to harm him (looks like your card supports him having Thanos level durability at the bare minimum...eh?), will eventually fall to his aura since they are lacking in TP resistance feats, and he has planetary level matter manip...

Yeah, Runner crushes them...

lmao, this is idiocy at its finest. bio entries NEVER take precedence over on-panel feats--if they did, galactus' power would be equal to LT's(they're both 'teh level 7!!!', after all)... but obviously this is NOT the case, as on-panel feats paint an entirely different picture of their powersets.

however, bios CAN be used to help solidify established on panel fact. this is important because in runner's last appearance, he was shown as decisively sub-c. fast-forward to his 2010 bio, and they have his speed capped at c as well(coincidence? doubtful)... but if you want to ignore canon material, in favor of making childish comments, then go right ahead. either way, flash/zoom are far beyond runner in terms of [speed] feats--so runner's 'speed cap' is a moot point regardless. 🙂

i also can't help but lol @ the glaring double standard here. you're so incredibly quick to mention any low showing from flash or zoom you can think of, but when i mention one of runner's low showings(and cement it with a bio), you get laughably defensive. heh, w/e...

The Runner can manifestly run faster than light, as he travels the stars "on foot" without taking millennia to get anywhere. I mean really, he intercepted the Silver Surfer in inter-stellar flight, which not only speaks to his speed, but also implies some major perceptual abilities of some sort.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
The Runner can manifestly run faster than light, as he travels the stars "on foot" without taking millennia to get anywhere. I mean really, he intercepted the Silver Surfer in inter-stellar flight, which not only speaks to his speed, but also implies some major perceptual abilities of some sort.

GL's also fly between stars, without taking millenia etc etc.

One explanation (not saying its the case here, but just wanted to point out there are other explanations): portals.

^ Also travelling speed is different to combat speed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And yeah, Flash can run in space.

http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view&current=probejla3.jpg
http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view&current=probejla4.jpg

Not that it helps him much.


Wait so you're telling me Aquaman can fly in space too? Iirc he was there in that scene too. You dont think by any chance he was using constructs or maybe it was artist's interpretation, or maybe a bit of pis? I mean he has history of needing some friction in order to utilize his super speed. He doesn't just normally run free in air and space willy nilly.

True, he could just make SpeedForce constructs which obey his thoughts....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
GL's also fly between stars, without taking millenia etc etc.

One explanation (not saying its the case here, but just wanted to point out there are other explanations): portals.

I don't think portals, warp points, hyperspace, etc make sense here though. Surfer was cruising along from one star system to another, and the Runner pulls right up alongside him for a chat.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ Also travelling speed is different to combat speed.

Absolutely. I think the Runner has it all over the Flashes in terms of traveling speed (apart from that Quasar story, but that one is inconsistent with all his other portrayals and has people like Roadrunner in it make of that what you will), but we haven't seen anything from him to suggest that he's in their league in terms of tactical maneuvering. A jet may be faster than a motorcycle, but the motorcycle has way better cornering.

I do think though that he may be based on whatever spacetime-transcending perceptual abilities allowed him to find and intercept a star-travelling Silver Surfer that he might (or might not, of course, this is all highly speculative) be better equipped to follow Zoom's movements than Wally was, even though Wally has faster reactions overall.

Woah woah woah.

In terms of travelling speed, has Runner beaten himself in a foot race (as stupid as that sounds)?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Woah woah woah.

In terms of travelling speed, has Runner beaten himself in a foot race (as stupid as that sounds)?

I'm not discounting that the Flashes have all sorts of surreal high-end feats, but they fairly consistantly tend to go weird at lightspeed; pass into the Speed Force, blink all over creation, discorporate, etc.

The Runner, despite never displaying the sort of between-the-moments tactical actions and reactions that the Flashes do doesn't seem to have any problem traversing deep-space "on foot." The Runner sensed Moondragon's emotions from lord-knows-where out "across the light-years" in deep space, and high-tailed it to Earth in a matter of what, weeks? That kind of traveling is not something I've seen the Flashes do.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
The Runner sensed Moondragon's emotions from lord-knows-where out "across the light-years" in deep space, and high-tailed it to Earth in a matter of what, weeks? That kind of traveling is not something I've seen the Flashes do.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wally runs from Source wall (end of the universe) with a hundred aliens to the watchtower while a space ship exploded around him by creating a portal. He turned himself to pure speed while doing it and nearly killed himself.

nuts

Very cool, though again very different than normal getting around.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He can?

😮

Yep.

There is also this and like Galan mentioned the Krakkle race.

Zoom though probably the fastest losses it for DC due to inability to travel in air/ space. I mean, I'm seeing DC gets first strike but once this fight goes airborne and Marvel lets out massive omni direction blast or take out the ground/ battlefield then it would be 1 vs 2 and there is no way Flash can take out a trans and herald or stir the battle to his advantage.

Great thread, marvel wins it for me.