Count Dooku Vs Darth Zannah

The master of Makashi and apprentice to two of the most powerful Jedi and Sith Vs The powerful apprentice of the Sith'ari himself"

Lightsabers.

Force Powers.

All-Out.

Rules: Best argument(s) wins. Remember quantity doesn't equal quality, a lot of people can say Cin Drallig "Slaughterhouse" or "LOLSTOMPS" Sidious, but we all know that isn't true.

Note: I'm interested in hearing your opinions and am open to any opinions that might differ from mine. However i ask that we keep it civilized please, insults and lowballing of characters are not going to help you or your argument.

Who wins this?

Reported for spite (hate to see Zannah lose another versus). 👆

Zannah gets stomped

She's less skilled on a massive scale (she's only beaten a featless Half trained Jedi knight) and she only beat Bane by utilizing a nexus.

Tyranus has defeated Tholme, Sora Bulq, Mace Windu, Quinlan Vos, Anakin Skywalker, Asajj Ventress, Savage Opress, General Grievous, Obi Wan Kenobi, fought evenly with Yoda in AOTC, and is considered among the greatest Sith lords and Jedi knights ever produced

He outclasses Zannah in TK, speed, force ability, and would lolstomp her in a fight

Perhaps sabers only would have been more even.

She doesn't have the saber feats to compare.

There would be more discussion to be had.

In terms of sabers Dooku simply lacks a way to get through Zannah's defense. He doesn't have Bane's strength or speed or anything that would pose a threat to her defensive wall. You can't get through her defense through footwork or positioning or precision, the hallmarks of Makashi. His only way through would be to replicate Bane's strategy and force her back into unfavorable ground, but as I said he lacks the attributes to press her enough to make her retreat. And as an old man he will tire well before her, despite his forms efficiency. He's been shown to be out of breath after duels on multiple occasions as I recall, reinforcing this point.

In terms of the Force Dooku also lacks a way to threaten Zannah. His TK and lightning are no issues for her. Bane is superior in terms of lightning and at least equal to Dooku in TK and he failed to bring those powers to bare against her in any significant fashion. Meanwhile Zannah has her sorcery, something Dooku has been troubled with when faced with Talzin. Most notably though, Dooku lacks feats for mental resistance, so Zannah should be more than capable of taking him down with her mental spells.

All out, Zannah would handle Dooku as she planned to do to Bane. Forming her defensive wall she will build up her power while he spends himself against her and unleash an unstoppable mental assault that he will fall to.

In terms of sabers Dooku simply lacks a way to get through Zannah's defense. He doesn't have Bane's strength or speed or anything that would pose a threat to her defensive wall. You can't get through her defense through footwork or positioning or precision, the hallmarks of Makashi. His only way through would be to replicate Bane's strategy and force her back into unfavorable ground, but as I said he lacks the attributes to press her enough to make her retreat.

Lmao he had no problem getting through Kenobi's defense whether through superior footwork or using the force. He also had enough strength to boot Ventress back with a single kick, you don't have to be a huge douche like Bane to kick her and send her back:

Cool story that you think he can't get through her defense when again he had no problem smashing through Bulq's, Kenobi's, and Anakin's whether through sabers or using his TK. Bane blasted her back with a force scream, she has no feats in defense in her prime to suggest she can't get hurled back by a TK wave.

despite his forms efficiency. He's been shown to be out of breath after duels on multiple occasions as I recall, reinforcing this point.

When he was fighting Anakin ROTS and Kenobi ROTS, and gradually getting beaten down by a duo of infinitely superior duelists to Zannah Anakin and Obi Wan 👆

In terms of the Force Dooku also lacks a way to threaten Zannah. His TK and lightning are no issues for her. Bane is superior in terms of lightning and at least equal to Dooku in TK and he failed to bring those powers to bare against her in any significant fashion. Meanwhile Zannah has her sorcery, something Dooku has been troubled with when faced with Talzin. Most notably though, Dooku lacks feats for mental resistance, so Zannah should be more than capable of taking him down with her mental spells.

Bane's TK feats in DOE are pathetic and lightning is not an issue, she can just absorb it with a saber. In terms of TK Dooku's force abilities have been the end for Kenobi, Bulq, and others. Also Zannah requires prep time for her sorcery and can't just use them on whim when being pressed (which Dooku is capable of doing)

Zannah knew it left him vulnerable to other forms of attack, but he pressed her so relentlessly that she never had a chance to effectively gather her power.

Given that Dooku is faster, stronger, more skilled, and has superior TK feats to Zannah she won't have a chance to prep her spells. Sarro has no strength feats to compare to Tyranus (whose kicked Ventress across a room, kiced Obi wan down stairs, and held a bladelock with Kenobi and Vader) both of whom have broken durasteel/smashed droids. There is no basis for your claim that he can't break through her defenses when he's done it to Kenobi/Bulq/Vos/Ventress

All out, Zannah would handle Dooku as she planned to do to Bane. Forming her defensive wall she will build up her power while he spends himself against her and unleash an unstoppable mental assault that he will fall to.

Nope. Nice scripting the fight though bro. Bane is slower, less skilled, and has inferior force feats to Dooku. He won't give her enough time to prep because he doesn't need to bear down on her, he just needs to ragdoll her like he did to Kenobi

Carthage, I put you on ignore because you were being tiresome. So I can't read that reply of yours, don't bother.

You don't bother because you're an inferior debater.

But again I accept your concession. How many arguments have you lost from Stark, to Ant, to Sidious, to Tempest, and Nargaroth?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Carthage, I put you on ignore because you were being tiresome. So I can't read that reply of yours, don't bother.

Neph, thank you for actually following the rules and for being the only cool-headed person discussing this without trying to troll and lowball characters. I appreciate that.

Zannah is weak.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Neph, thank you for actually following the rules and for being the only cool-headed person discussing this without trying to troll and lowball characters. I appreciate that.

No problem. I'm open to non-trollish counter-arguments.

He doesn't have Bane's speed

No?

You can't get through her defense through footwork or positioning or precision, the hallmarks of Makashi.

Why not, exactly? Dooku's footwork and precision worked well enough against Obi-Wan.

His only way through would be to replicate Bane's strategy and force her back into unfavorable ground.

Why's that? His own approach should be more effective against clumsy ol' Zannah.

Bane is at least equal to Dooku in TK

Not necessarily.

Meanwhile Zannah has her sorcery, something Dooku has been troubled with when faced with Talzin.

This is true, which is why Zannah poses a very real threat to Dooku. Should be noted that Talzin is more powerful a sorceress than she, though.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Neph, thank you for actually following the rules and for being the only cool-headed person discussing this without trying to troll and lowball characters. I appreciate that.

He refused to respond to an argument i,e he conceded. I was very cool, Neph is just a terrible debater and doesn't go by feats so much as his own worthless opinion.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No problem. I'm open to non-trollish counter-arguments.

Just like you are with Ant 👆

So much hate for Zannah in this thread.

Its because she is a weak character and a horrible excuse for a Dark lord of the Sith.

She doesn't deserve to be counted among the greats of the Sith

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No?

No. But in the interest of not starting up the Bane speed argument again, why don't we just agree they're equal. It's not as if Bane's speed was actually relevant against Zannah, who caught his blows easily regardless. So I probably shouldn't have mentioned it I think.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Why not, exactly? Dooku's footwork and precision worked well enough against Obi-Wan.

Obi-Wan and Zannah's defensive styles are very different. Obi-Wan uses standard lightsaber deflection to create a very flexible, crisp defense. But that allows his opponents to get in close and get around his blade with superior speed, positioning etc. Zannah's defensive wall wouldn't let Dooku *watches Obi-Wan fights*..... engage in a saberlock, kick her, catch her off-guard with the Force or really allow any of Dooku's standard attacks to be effective. You can't get around it with footwork or positioning since he can't actually get her blade out of position or create an opening. The position is a 2 meter wide circle, the opening doesn't exist.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Why's that? His own approach should be more effective against clumsy ol' Zannah.

Why not what? Why not do that? Because he can't push her back.

And Zannah isn't clumsy.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Not necessarily.

🙄

AT ANY RATE, Dooku isn't superior to Bane to any significant extent that would allow him to overpower Zannah in any way.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
This is true, which is why Zannah poses a very real threat to Dooku. Should be noted that Talzin is more powerful a sorceress than she, though.

Nah. Talzin is overrated imo.

In the end, even if Dooku can get around her defense, it would take considerable time and effort on his part. And Zannah can build up and unleash her sorcery before he can do that.

Zannah gets stomped.