Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Seriously: Bane had no talent for it, yet he had done his best to study the techniques. What he learned was that the only real counter was the victim's strength of will.
It's not like mind domination where being powerful enough repels it. Unless you're going to argue that Dooku somehow lacks will, I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up.
Does the count have anything that resembles something as a "Strength of Will" feat? like is there anything that showed he has great Strength of will?
that's a genuine question. I'm curious.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Go on. This is the Dooku that stood up after being used as a suit and after being ravaged by Talzin's magic. How does he lack Bane's willpower?
Dooku was crawling on the ground and struggled to get up and ordered grevious to attack dathomir immediately afterwords and in SOD he was on the ground knocked out. he didn't get up immediately after words.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Well for starters he was used as a suit by Talzin in the first place...And Bane's own feats of willpower outstrip that.
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Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Dooku was crawling on the ground and struggled to get up and ordered grevious to attack dathomir immediately afterwords and in SOD he was on the ground knocked out. he didn't get up immediately after words.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Well for starters he was used as a suit by Talzin in the first place...And Bane's own feats of willpower outstrip that.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Bane never encountered anyone comparable to Talzin in sorcery. Considering what she's done with it, and the fact that it has nothing to do with willpower, it;s not surprising Dooku would be overwhelmed by it. I doubt Bane wouldn't.
And I beg to differ. What has Talzin done with mind based sorcery that's any more impressive than Zannah?
What was DarthAnt's?
He rarely has one.
You're not seriously suggesting or implying that Saesee is on Kas'im's level are you?
Absolutely. Prove me wrong.
*shrugs*
Not like it's much of a victory, considering my knowledge of SW is limited. Still, far be it from me to stop you, go ahead and gloat/celebrate/whatever.
You don't understand.
So doesn't this further support the argument that the count has no Mental resistance feats or Anything that shows Mental fortitude?
Yep.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
It's too bad that Dooku doesn't have any showings of willpower that compare to Bane's...
And I beg to differ. What has Talzin done with mind based sorcery that's any more impressive than Zannah?
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And why don't they?
Originally posted by FreshestSlice Talzin didn't use mind based sorcery at all. She tortured Dooku and took control of his body. 😬
Regardless, you are suggesting that Talzin's "superiority with sorcery" means something in this context, even though she lacks the feats to compare with Zannah in Zannah's particular area of expertise, the effects of which are being debated here.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
He rarely has one.
Unsurprising.
Absolutely. Prove me wrong.
He lacks feats, simple as that. But, this isn't the place for a debate about Tiin > Kas'im. Let's refrain from straying from the the topic at hand.
You don't understand.
I couldn't care less, really.
Yep.
Not sure if serious or....
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Regardless, you are suggesting that Talzin's "superiority with sorcery" means something in this context, even though she lacks the feats to compare with Zannah in Zannah's particular area of expertise, the effects of which are being debated here.
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Originally posted by Emperordmb
Because they aren't as impressive, it's as simple as that.
There's your answer right there.
Regardless, you are suggesting that Talzin's "superiority with sorcery" means something in this context, even though she lacks the feats to compare with Zannah in Zannah's particular area of expertise, the effects of which are being debated here.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No it really isn't. If you can't tell me why something Bane did is more impressive than something Dooku did besides, "Because it is," you're being circular.
Bane walked around in constant agony for 10 years while operating normally, he laughed off Kaan's mental influence (and Kaan was dominating the BoD into following him), he managed to resist Zannahs mental attack that sent lesser minds into coma's instantly and he managed to perform the essence transfer while dealing with pain that utterly eclipsed anything he'd ever felt. I'd say that in terms of will Bane is the best in the mythos, if it wasn't true that Zannah defeated him in a direct contest of wills.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane walked around in constant agony for 10 years while operating normally,
he laughed off Kaan's mental influence (and Kaan was dominating the BoD into following him),
he managed to resist Zannahs mental attack that sent lesser minds into coma's instantly
and he managed to perform the essence transfer while dealing with pain that utterly eclipsed anything he'd ever felt.
I'd say that in terms of will Bane is the best in the mythos, if it wasn't true that Zannah defeated him in a direct contest of wills.
Bane's will is overrated.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'm not sure how that proves Bane has more will, just that he has will, but that was never in question.
Uh, what? Of course that proves Bane has more will than Dooku. When has Dooku demonstrated that level of mental fortitude? He was writhing around like a b*tch when Talzin caused him pain.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Resisting someone who can dominate no names into their service doesn't mean anything. Nihilus made people bow at his feet by his mere presence, but I wouldn't say that everyone in KotOR II has more will than Dooku.
Lmao, wtf are you smoking? Kaan was dominating the minds of dozens, maybe hundreds of Sith Lords at a time. He had enough influence to pull everyone out of the Force Storm ritual too. And when he tried to influence Bane's mind Bane had to stop himself from laughing at the attempt.
And whats up with that comparison? That doesn't really have any relevance to anything.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
But it didn't on anyone notable, and even on Tython, it created the same effect as it did on Bane. Its not like the Bane didn't see the creatures and didn't attack them.
You mean notable like Dooku, who has absolutely **** all in the way of mental resistance or will feats?
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Pain powers Bane's abilities, and many characters in the mythos use pain to become stronger and accomplish more. Zash does the same thing wounded as well, yet her will comes nowhere near close to Bane's.
No it doesn't, not always. The pain was so immense that Bane almost went into shock.
"The material of his clothes melted away as if it had been splashed with acid. A chunk of flesh beneath simply dissolved, and Bane screamed in agony.
Once, orbalisks had fused themselves to his body with a burning chemical compound so intense it had nearly driven him mad. Ten years ago they had been removed when Bane's flesh had been literally cooked by a concentrated blast of his own violet lightning. During her interrogation, Serra had pumped him full of a drug that had felt like it was eating him alive from the inside. But the excruciating pain he felt from the mere touch of the dark side tendril was unlike anything Bane had ever experienced before.
The damage was far from life threatening, but it nearly sent Bane into shock. He fell hard to the ground, his jaw slack and his eyes rolling back into his head. His mind was reeling from the brief contact. The pain radiated through every nerve in his body, but what he felt went far beyond any mere physical sensation. It was not the raw heat of the dark side but rather the empty chill of the void itself spreading through him. It touched every synapse in his mind, it clawed at the core of his spirit. In that instant he tasted utter annihilation, and felt the true horror of absolute nothingness.
Somehow he managed to stay conscious, and when the next tentacle coiled in he was able to scramble to his feet and roll out of the way."
Yeah, he really used that to accomplish more. 🙄
And all that was just from brushing a tentacle. Before he uses the essence transfer one tentacle dissolves his arm off and he was still able to focus enough to use the ritual.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Sion>Bane's will is overrated.
Meh, maybe.
Riiight, or maybe you're just transparently lowballing. Just face it, Dooku loses.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Though, Revan Reborn and Darth Revan also have highly impressive mental resistance feats in the mythos.
One was capable of stalemating Vitiate for 300 years,
While drawing on Meetra's Power for 300 years....
That's feat was only accomplished because he had help from Meetra.