Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]Not really. She only had some problems with his strength when he did heavy 2-handed strikes, but was still able to recover fast with no loss of advantage. And she had no issues at all with his speed even before she starts up her main defense.
I feel like you wanted to say more though, lol. But you've given me no reason to think she'd have issues with his offense.
And Bane's speed and strength is insane and he's vastly underrated as a technical duelist. He's faster and stronger than Dooku and is more powerful than him. And power plays a big role in lightsaber duels.
No, she wasn't pressed. Just because she was retreating doesn't mean she was being overpowered or anything. Theres nothing in the text that supports the idea that Bane was beating her at that point.
What situation, Zannah putting space between them? Dooku has never had an issue with letting this occur or aggressively pursued an opponent. If Zannah jumps away, Dooku isn't going to rush after her right into a counter-attack. He's smarter and calmer than that.
I'm not making the argument that because Talzin caused him pain Zannah will. I'm saying that her attack causes extreme pain, and Dooku has proven that when hit by painful attacks he does nothing more than writhe around on the floor. Its not something to do with power. Both attacks are unquestionably very painful and I see no reason why Dooku will react differently to Zannah's attack than he did to Talzin's.
Lol, Dooku isn't good enough press Zannah so hard that she can't get away.
Blatantly untrue. 😬
Well she wouldn't be defending herself from his lightsaber if he's attacking her with the Force, would she? She'd just defend against the Force.
And lolwut? She very much could defend herself against Bane. Do you have any idea what you're talking about here?
"She was less than a meter away, her blade already slashing in for the killing blow, when she felt all the hair on the back of her neck rise. A shimmering purple cocoon of dark side energy enveloped Bane, a fragile shell holding back a storm of pure power. She tried to pull back but it was too late. As her blade bit into the cocoon the energy was released in a sudden burst that sent both of them flying backward. Bane slammed hard into the wall against his back and crumpled to the ground. Zannah was tossed ten meters farther, landing hard on the
stone floor."
No she wasn't and no Bane didn't. You've clearly no even read the damn fight, lmao.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No issues at all? Really? The entire duel talks about Zannah being surprised by Banes speed, or how she "somehow" deflected his his blows. She didn't die, sure, but to say she had no issues is an exaggeration.
So is saying she had trouble with his speed. She was surprised because he'd held back and was faster than she'd seen him as previously. And she only said she'd somehow managed to survive his initial onslaught when she tired to take him on with conventional swordplay, instead of her trademark defense. She was able to block all of his attacks even when on the ground, with broken ribs and recovering from that assualt. If she is slower than him, it obviously isn't to that great an extent, else she couldn't have managed to successfully defend against him in those conditions.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
In sabers? Probably not. I know the meaning of the word "impenetrable." But the fact is Zannah would probably have to keep the utmost concentration when blocking every attack from Dooku. That's a struggle.
Nah. Dooku's offense isn't that great.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I agree, Bane's stronger than Dooku. I do not think he's faster or more powerful.
Well I don't particularly want to start up the speed debate. But his feats sure do indicate he is. Moving fast enough to appear to wield a dozen lightsabers to a powerful Sith is massively impressive and he's even faster in DoE.
As to power, Bane's power was "near infinite". excellent
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It says she was being being driven to give ground. I don't know what that means to you, but that doesn't sound like something she did of choice. At that point, Zannah used that fact to her advantage, but it was not something she wanted to do before.
Zannah is a defensive fighter. When defending you need to give ground even if you're not being pressed. The text specifically notes Zannah continuing to retreat to maintain a safe distance while only having to deal with some token strikes. Heck, Dooku gives ground in all his fights with Anakin, does that mean he's always losing?
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
When has Dooku not closed the distance before? Just because he's calm and collected, that doesn't mean that he wouldn't pursue and opponent.
Well these the AotC fights where Obi-Wan and Anakin both put space between them during the fight and he leisurely strolls up to them. Or in the CW movie when he force pwns Anakin and taunts him instead of continuing the attack. Or in that duel where Anakin chokes him, he pushes Anakin back with the force and then lets him recover instead of attacking twice.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
"I'm not making the argument that because Talzin caused him pain Zannah will. But both cause pain, so Zannah's attack will make him react the same." 😬
Whats so wrong with that? Zannah's spell causing pain isn't reliant on Talzin's spell causing him pain. I'm only using Talzin's attack as an indication of how he'll react to the pain Zannah's spell is known to cause.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Zannah used her illusions after Bane stopped pursuing her. As I don't think Dooku would, that's irrelevant. He'd close the distance first. The idea that because Bane stopped attacking, Dooku would doesn't seem right to me.
Bane is a much more aggressive duelist than Dooku, and Zannah was wounded at the time. Why would Dooku pursue a healthy Zannah when a more aggressive fighter didn't pursue a wounded Zannah?
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
"Each time she thought she could anticipate where the next attack was coming from, he changed tactics, disrupting the rhythm of the battle and causing her to give ground."
Lol. I thought you meant something else. That's not his actual attacks it's his tactics, she was still able to block everything fine. Bane changing his tactics at random moments doesn't have anything to do with precognition. Besides, Bane had developed a specifically unpredictable, random style. Dooku's isn't unpredictable, it's archaic Makashi.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
She would have to split her attention between illusions and shields. Just as with her defense, this shield would be less effective.
Except she's not actually using her illusions at the time, so she doesn't need to split her attention between defending from TK and using them. She even states in the text that she can just switch to totally focusing on defense if Bane had started to seriously press her.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'm not talking about their final duel."She was less than a meter away, her blade already slashing in for the killing blow, when she felt all the hair on the back of her neck rise. A shimmering purple cocoon of dark side energy enveloped Bane, a fragile shell holding back a storm of pure power. She tried to pull back but it was too late. As her blade bit into the cocoon the energy was released in a sudden burst that sent both of them flying backward. Bane slammed hard into the wall against his back and crumpled to the ground. Zannah was tossed ten meters farther, landing hard on the
stone floor."
That's not an attack, it was a desperation move from Bane to prevent himself from dying. Bane was attacking her with the Force in the whole fight, which she casually dealt with or dodged. So don't try to use that as proof that Dooku can take her off guard with a basic force push. 🙄