Originally posted by chasedown
its a strength feat what do you mean... why would goku want to blow up a planet lol
He's never destroyed one but we don't debate only off high showings, we take "all" showings i not consideration. ALL and then we average them out. His average isn't anything you've mentioned in this thread.
Originally posted by BloodRain
@Carv
"I'll bite. With these average showings, how strong and fast is Supes then? Who I'm comics is he on par with?"Manga too.
Hard to answer this. You bring up him surviving a black hole. The people he lost too, all of them, do they have black hole punching strength. Think about it. 99.9% of the people that Superman has been defeated by doesn't have anything close to planetary strength showings. Not one. Hell, Helspont gave Superman a head injury with a simple back hand and he doesn't have a single strength ft under his belt.
Do you honestly think this man is walking around with black hole back hand strength? Get out of here. That's why I said 'average' showings...not just high end fts.
Originally posted by carver9Honestly? I don't care what feats you're going to show me to say he didnt move faster than X or he was was knocked out by Y.
Hard to answer this. You bring up him surviving a black hole. The people he lost too, all of them, do they have black hole punching strength. Think about it. 99.9% of the people that Superman has been defeated by doesn't have anything close to planetary strength showings. Not one. Hell, Helspont gave Superman a head injury with a simple back hand and he doesn't have a single strength ft under his belt.Do you honestly think this man is walking around with black hole back hand strength? Get out of here. That's why I said 'average' showings...not just high end fts.
I'm asking you, for the sake of knowing getting an official stance, where Supes land to you. As in how strong and fast is he.
I see you've already that by the majority he's below planetary in strength/durability. So how far below?
Originally posted by carver9Backhanding Superman to a moon isn't a strength feat?
Hell, Helspont gave Superman a head injury with a simple back hand and he doesn't have a single strength ft under his belt.
But hey man I see your point. To use the DB manga, let's ignore Freeza's planet busting showings. After all, he was beaten by Goku and Trunks, two characters who have never destroyed a planet.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Backhanding Superman to a moon isn't a strength feat?But hey man I see your point. To use the DB manga, let's ignore Freeza's planet busting showings. After all, he was beaten by Goku and Trunks, two characters who have never destroyed a planet.
Or hoe Super Buu was getting his ass kicked by Vegito, who has no actual feats worth of note beyond beating up Buu
Or BoSS Piccolo's moon busting doesn't count because he got owned by Raditz and later by Nappa, who've no DC feats above country level+
Gotta love how Carver can powerscale DBZ but he believes we can't do the same for comics
Originally posted by NemeBro
Backhanding Superman to a moon isn't a strength feat?But hey man I see your point. To use the DB manga, let's ignore Freeza's planet busting showings. After all, he was beaten by Goku and Trunks, two characters who have never destroyed a planet.
Who's said anything about DBZ average durability being planet busting. I NEVER said Superman had to throw planet busting hits to harm them.
How much strength does it take to punch someone in space with no gravitational force to the moon?
Originally posted by carver9Superman makes his own gravitational force with his flight. It was overpowered (by your own admission), so I guess enough strength to force Superman (who lifted 6.6 sextillion tons, if that is DCnU like I think) many miles to the moon.
Who's said anything about DBZ average durability being planet busting. I NEVER said Superman had to throw planet busting hits to harm them.How much strength does it take to punch someone in space with no gravitational force to the moon?
So basically much stronger than any DBZ character. 👆
Originally posted by carver9
Who's said anything about DBZ average durability being planet busting. I NEVER said Superman had to throw planet busting hits to harm them.How much strength does it take to punch someone in space with no gravitational force to the moon?
carver your argument makes no sense go back to the drawing board try to think of something better i kno your smart enough to do it.
because right now this averages stuff is bout one of the dumbest things ive ever heard lol
heres the perfect analogy kobe bryant can average over 30 pts a game in a season but that doesnt take away from the fact that hes capable of dropping 40 or 50 pts in a game hell he even has an 80pt game.
averages dont take away someones capability of performing a high end feat
Originally posted by chasedown
carver your argument makes no sense go back to the drawing board try to think of something better i kno your smart enough to do it.because right now this averages stuff is bout one of the dumbest things ive ever heard lol
heres the perfect analogy kobe bryant can average over 30 pts a game in a season but that doesnt take away from the fact that hes capable of dropping 40 or 50 pts in a game hell he even has an 80pt game.
averages dont take away someones capability of performing a high end feat
Aaaahhhh, so we discredit 95% of his other showings and focus on his highs? Makes sense. This is either one of the most terrible ways of debating or you don't know the difference between average showings vs high showings.
If you truly believe it takes planetary power to stop both Superman and Goku, you might need to read more on both characters and stop using youtube.
Originally posted by carver9
Aaaahhhh, so we discredit 95% of his other showings and focus on his highs? Makes sense. This is either one of the most terrible ways of debating or you don't know the difference between average showings vs high showings.If you truly believe it takes planetary power to stop both Superman and Goku, you might need to read more on both characters and stop using youtube.
did you even read what i just posted i literally just said average showings dont take away from the fact that said person has performed high end showings again kobe averages 25 ppg for his career does that mean he cant drop 30,40 or even 81 pts in a game? no it does not
Originally posted by chasedown
did you even read what i just posted i literally just said average showings dont take away from the fact that said person has performed high end showings again kobe averages 25 ppg for his career does that mean he cant drop 30,40 or even 81 pts in a game? no it does not
But when it comes to expectations, we would look at his average since we know the highs are a rare occasion. This is a simple concept. Using your style of debate, Galactus couldn't hurt Hulk since Hulk did survive a blast that leveled a universe.
Originally posted by carver9
But when it comes to expectations, we would look at his average since we know the highs are a rare occasion. This is a simple concept. Using your style of debate, Galactus couldn't hurt Hulk since Hulk did survive a blast that leveled a universe.
what? how the f**ck did you get that out of what i just posted ...... smh guess your not as smart as i thought
Originally posted by carver9Neither do you, frankly.
Aaaahhhh, so we discredit 95% of his other showings and focus on his highs? Makes sense. This is either one of the most terrible ways of debating or you don't know the difference between average showings vs high showings.
If you were really going by "average" showings you wouldn't dismiss Superman's highest showings.