Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Flash doesn't wants to be tagged, he said as much, it is impossible in his world so he was avoiding supes, just because he doesn't punch doesn't mean he isn't moving at his best, on the contrary. Similing doesn't change the fact.Superman was holding back. Proof? Instead of a finger he could have hit flash with his fist. Fist > Finger. Got it. Glad to help.
I will keep this scan and this thread in mind when you try to lowball pre dcnu Supes. Progress.
So we know that Superman, Flash and CA are very close in the speed department and that Hulk will be a statue to both. Now we need to know how fast BM is, if he has speed feats on par with Flash, CA and Supes. At worst it will be CA vs Superman with Hulk and BM being insignificant stautes at best we have 2 v 1 and Hulk will cost the Team a win.
Also I would like to see CA strength feats that put him on the level of Supes.
Flash never said he doesn't want to be tagged, he said he has never been tagged and after his Superman fight, everyone and their grandmother has tagged him. Doesn't mean that he was going all out against all of them unless you want to give every person that has tagged Flash the credit you are giving Superman. Also, like I've stated before, in his fight against Superman, time wasn't at a halt like it was during his showing with Captain Atom.
Lol...so Superman was purposely missing Flash in the previous panels. Wow!!!
By the way, you might want to read the comments before asserting me saying anything regarding speed. Surtur asked if CA was fast enough to hit Superman and I provided proof...so your comment about Hulk not being fast enough is laughable. Hulk would miss a punch at Captain Atom which would hit Superman killing him during the process.
Lol...Captain Atom doesn't need any strength fts...his overall power and showings puts him above Superman.
Originally posted by carver9
Flash never said he doesn't want to be tagged, he said he has never been tagged and after his Superman fight, everyone and their grandmother has tagged him. Doesn't mean that he was going all out against all of them unless you want to give every person that has tagged Flash the credit you are giving Superman. Also, like I've stated before, in his fight against Superman, time wasn't at a halt like it was during his showing with Captain Atom.Lol...so Superman was purposely missing Flash in the previous panels. Wow!!!
By the way, you might want to read the comments before asserting me saying anything regarding speed. Surtur asked if CA was fast enough to hit Superman and I provided proof...so your comment about Hulk not being fast enough is laughable. Hulk would miss a punch at Captain Atom which would hit Superman killing him during the process.
Lol...Captain Atom doesn't need any strength fts...his overall power and showings puts him above Superman.
He was moving around Supes at his speed and avoided him till Superman got used to it and pwnd him with his finger. Superman has become more powerful since then.
No he wasn't, he was surprised by flashs speed and just became faster and matched flash. A weaker Superman who has gronw more powerful since then, don't forget this,
CA is fast enough, I didn't say anything else. His speed is on the level of Supes and Flash. So all 3 beyond Hulk who will be a statue. And what about BM? How fast is he?
Show me Hulk having the speed to keep up with Supes, CA and Flash pls? Superman tanked worse and Hulk is weaker than supes, by feats. ^^
What showings? His power is nice but don't forget Firestorm. So show me those showings that put him above superman pls.
Again, nice job lowballing Supes. Never change Carter.
Ok.
After being vapourised by a volcano, he rebuilt his body from elements in the air:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/2656384-captainatom_2_thegroup_003.jpg
Later on, he absorbs a nuke and redirects it without harming himself (carver's scans). What happened when Superman tanked a nuclear plant exploding? He nearly died.
He later on absorbs energy from multiple Atoms, so any energy output from Supes. let alone Hulk, will be negated:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/2657729-captainatom_10_thegroup_012.jpg
He can also go intangible:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/2656495-ca_09.jpg
Oh, btw, Captain Atom is FTL. Supes isn't, yet, right?
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/2657798-captainatom_12_thegroup_010.jpg
And he can pluck a memory from your head, and create it:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/2657742-captainatom_11_thegroup_008.jpg
Imagine if he did the same with Kryptonite.
Sure, Firestorm can do it. But NOT at the speed of Cap. That's the difference.
Ok being vapourised by a volcano? A high feat?
Superman resisted currently multiple black holes...
Yet he was vaporised by a volcano, why didn't he abosrb it?
Superman can hit the intangible.
Superman suit prevents Supes from losing solar radiation too fast, he would last long enough to beat CA. Even with Knite near. Who did CA defeat on Supermans level btw?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok.After being vapourised by a volcano, he rebuilt his body from elements in the air:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/2656384-captainatom_2_thegroup_003.jpg
Later on, he absorbs a nuke and redirects it without harming himself (carver's scans). What happened when Superman tanked a nuclear plant exploding? He nearly died.
He later on absorbs energy from multiple Atoms, so any energy output from Supes. let alone Hulk, will be negated:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/2657729-captainatom_10_thegroup_012.jpgHe can also go intangible:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/2656495-ca_09.jpgOh, btw, Captain Atom is FTL. Supes isn't, yet, right?
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/2657798-captainatom_12_thegroup_010.jpgAnd he can pluck a memory from your head, and create it:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/2657742-captainatom_11_thegroup_008.jpgImagine if he did the same with Kryptonite.
Sure, Firestorm can do it. But NOT at the speed of Cap. That's the difference.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Ok being vapourised by a volcano? A high feat?Superman resisted currently multiple black holes...
Yet he was vaporised by a volcano, why didn't he abosrb it?
Superman can hit the intangible.
Superman suit prevents Supes from losing solar radiation too fast, he would last long enough to beat CA. Even with Knite near. Who did CA defeat on Supermans level btw?
Lol. Hence why I said, LATER ON. It was to show he can reform his body at will, even if it was destroyed. Later on, he learns how to control his powers better, and absorbs energy.
Superman can hit, sure, except this is an energy absorber who can move FTL. So the Ghost Soldier example is moot, as CA has shown he's far faster than GS.
What if the suit was turned into Knite, and Superman is now wearing it? AND he leeches the solar from it?
Ah, the grasping of straws has started. By that argument, who has TOAA/Living Tribunal/Presence et al defeated on Superman's level? Cap Atom only had 12 issues so far, of which the first few are him learning about his powers.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
He was moving around Supes at his speed and avoided him till Superman got used to it and pwnd him with his finger. Superman has become more powerful since then.No he wasn't, he was surprised by flashs speed and just became faster and matched flash. A weaker Superman who has gronw more powerful since then, don't forget this,
CA is fast enough, I didn't say anything else. His speed is on the level of Supes and Flash. So all 3 beyond Hulk who will be a statue. And what about BM? How fast is he?
Show me Hulk having the speed to keep up with Supes, CA and Flash pls? Superman tanked worse and Hulk is weaker than supes, by feats. ^^
What showings? His power is nice but don't forget Firestorm. So show me those showings that put him above superman pls.
Again, nice job lowballing Supes. Never change Carter.
He was still holding back against Superman and was dodging him with ease before Superman thumped him. If Flash wanted, that entire fight, he could have tossed Superman all across the city. That's how large the speed gap was.
So Flash standing still talking to Supes isnt Flash holding back? That's a going all out Flash? A flash that wrapped Superman cape around him instead of punching him. A Flash that smiled the entire baiting Superman is a going all out Flash? Ok? So Superman was holding back before when he was trying to grab/hit Flash? Proof please.
Why would i show you Hulk hitting Supes when they are on teams? Why would I show you him hitting Cap when I said Captain Atom would win? By the way, DCNU Darkseid is like a snail in comparison to Hulk based off speed fts and he was able to not only grab Supes but nearly squeeze the life out of him. A DCNU Mongul and Doomsday are MUCH slower than Hulk and they were able to pound on Superman. There you go. There's your proof. I agree with the fts comment...that's why I think Hulk would stomp DCNU Darkseid into the ground. His strength, speed, and durability FEATS are far better "unless you want to compare fts".
What has DCNU Firestorm done that puts him on the level on Atom? Scans please.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Ok being vapourised by a volcano? A high feat?Superman resisted currently multiple black holes...
Yet he was vaporised by a volcano, why didn't he abosrb it?
Superman can hit the intangible.
Superman suit prevents Supes from losing solar radiation too fast, he would last long enough to beat CA. Even with Knite near. Who did CA defeat on Supermans level btw?
Superdoom resisted the Black holes.
Superman can partially heat vision intangible beings.
Where did you get the suit part from?
Originally posted by Golgo13
When did he affect intangible beings? When he faced Anguish, he couldn't touch her.
Yeah, she also koed him as well. What happened to her? Can't remember the guy name who Superman heat visioned but he pushed him back with it. It wasn't enough to call it damaging though or to use against Captain Atom unless Batman Prime is trying to say pushing Captain Atom back would defeat him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. Hence why I said, LATER ON. It was to show he can reform his body at will, even if it was destroyed. Later on, he learns how to control his powers better, and absorbs energy.Superman can hit, sure, except this is an energy absorber who can move FTL. So the Ghost Soldier example is moot, as CA has shown he's far faster than GS.
What if the suit was turned into Knite, and Superman is now wearing it? AND he leeches the solar from it?
Ah, the grasping of straws has started. By that argument, who has TOAA/Living Tribunal/Presence et al defeated on Superman's level? Cap Atom only had 12 issues so far, of which the first few are him learning about his powers.
He can still be destroyed by a superior opponent.
Superman can move as fast as Flash. He also was transported in a far corner of the Universe and went back to earth in 60 days through multiple Black holes at that.
what if the suit resists it, as it is a highly advanced kryptonian tech?
Not grasping, just preventin a no limits fallacy. This is btw quite normal here, that is why Dr. Manhattan is not considered in Surfers league. Lack of feats is just that. Firestorm is CA power cap.
Originally posted by carver9
He was still holding back against Superman and was dodging him with ease before Superman thumped him. If Flash wanted, that entire fight, he could have tossed Superman all across the city. That's how large the speed gap was.So Flash standing still talking to Supes isnt Flash holding back? That's a going all out Flash? A flash that wrapped Superman cape around him instead of punching him. A Flash that smiled the entire baiting Superman is a going all out Flash? Ok? So Superman was holding back before when he was trying to grab/hit Flash? Proof please.
Why would i show you Hulk hitting Supes when they are on teams? Why would I show you him hitting Cap when I said Captain Atom would win? By the way, DCNU Darkseid is like a snail in comparison to Hulk based off speed fts and he was able to not only grab Supes but nearly squeeze the life out of him. A DCNU Mongul and Doomsday are MUCH slower than Hulk and they were able to pound on Superman. There you go. There's your proof. I agree with the fts comment...that's why I think Hulk would stomp DCNU Darkseid into the ground. His strength, speed, and durability FEATS are far better "unless you want to compare fts".
What has DCNU Firestorm done that puts him on the level on Atom? Scans please.
You are talking BS as usual. Superman was holding back, on top of this he was at the beginning of his power and weaker than now. Still he was as fast as Flash. Would it be a fight he would be still fast enough to tag the flash. Simple. The comic shows he tagged him, even though flash didn't wanted to be tagged. That is what we go by. Thanks. Not your stupid lowbaling scenarios.
It is flash using his speed to do all this things and fail because Superman matched him when he had enough. Proof of Superman holding back. Fist > finger. Don't prentend to be that dense, even you...
So you think that Darkseid BECUASE he was able to react and grab Supes is slow. Because he matched a speedster? You are the smartest man on kmc, indeed... Yeah that prooves that hulk is faster 👆 Good job Carter.
Read up Firestorms fight against CA.
Originally posted by carver9
Superdoom resisted the Black holes.Superman can partially heat vision intangible beings.
Where did you get the suit part from?
The Black Hole, singular, the first one. On his way back to earth he passed through some more 😉. Reading comprehension isn't your strongest part or your hate for superman makes you blind so you can keep on lowballing.
Enough to hurt someone whose body can be vapourised by the heat of a volcano. 😉
From comics. You know the stuff you don't read.
@Batman Prime...
Nothing during that showing proves Superman was holding back. He was trying to grab Flash and failed.
Superman didn't match him. Flash clearly had the speed edge and didn't throw a single hit when he had plenty of opportunities to do so.
Darkseid hit Superman and Darkseid is much slower, less durable, and isn't close to being as strong as Hulk 'based off fts'. Now if you want to compare fts between the two, let me know. Based off strength and speed fts, Grey Hulk is stronger than Darkseid. We can compare fts if you want. It's fun using your type of debating style. Let me know when you're ready to do this ft war. Grey Hulk strength and speed fts vs DCNU Darkseid strength and speed fts.
Originally posted by carver9
@Batman Prime...Nothing during that showing proves Superman was holding back. He was trying to grab Flash and failed.
Superman didn't match him. Flash clearly had the speed edge and didn't throw a single hit when he had plenty of opportunities to do so.
Darkseid hit Superman and Darkseid is much slower, less durable, and isn't close to being as strong as Hulk 'based off fts'. Now if you want to compare fts between the two, let me know. Based off strength and speed fts, Grey Hulk is stronger than Darkseid. We can compare fts if you want. It's fun using your type of debating style. Let me know when you're ready to do this ft war. Grey Hulk strength and speed fts vs DCNU Darkseid strength and speed fts.
Except the finger instead of the fist. You know if I ko you with my finger instead of killing you with my fist, I hold back....
Didn't match him till he matched him and flicked him away. Also weaker Supes than now.
He is stronger by feats, destroyed worlds and overpowered superman and reacted to him, you proved that by admitting that he could tag Superman. You already lost.
You are the worst debater I ever met but you are the biggest lowballer I ever saw.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Except the finger instead of the fist. You know if I ko you with my finger instead of killing you with my fist, I hold back....Didn't match him till he matched him and flicked him away. Also weaker Supes than now.
He is stronger by feats, destroyed worlds and overpowered superman and reacted to him, you proved that by admitting that he could tag Superman. You already lost.
You are the worst debater I ever met but you are the biggest lowballer I ever saw.
Gotcha. So with that said, since Hulk has punched these people in the face and reacted to them, Gladiator, Surfer, Quick Silver, Hyperion, Jack of Hearts, and Northstar, that means he will not be a statue? Thanks for clarifying that for me unless this only goes for Darkseid. Let me know.
Hulk went hand to hand against Hyperion who is stronger than current Supes since he has pushed two universes apart and by Hickman own admission, he even states Hulk is stronger than Hyperion. Wait, does this type of debating only applies to Darkseid?
How did Darkseid destroy the world and provide a scan proving it?
I think you're the worst debater as well but your still my buddy though.
Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha. So with that said, since Hulk has punched these people in the face and reacted to them, Gladiator, Surfer, Quick Silver, Hyperion, Jack of Hearts, and Northstar, that means he will not be a statue? Thanks for clarifying that for me unless this only goes for Darkseid. Let me know.Hulk went hand to hand against Hyperion who is stronger than current Supes since he has pushed two universes apart and by Hickman own admission, he even states Hulk is stronger than Hyperion. Wait, does this type of debating only applies to Darkseid?
How did Darkseid destroy the world and provide a scan proving it?
I think you're the worst debater as well but your still my buddy though.
It was YOUR point your stance that Darkseid reacted to superman so he has the same speed. Sometimes I think you are bizarro. So though the New Gods have real superspeed, unlike Hulk. I can tell you why Darkseid, who is faster than Supes, could tag Supes. You didn't read the comic, so. Superman was weakened and just brought back by Batman and he was still a rookie with his powers^^. I hope that clarifies it completely. BTW Darkseid always had Superspeed, it was always in his powerset like his OE. That is why, if you read comics, you know why he can react to speedsters.
Hyperion hold two Planets apart that broke under the pressure. It's good but nothing special, more of a durability feat, he was just in the way. No that is a bad debating style, going by what writers say outside of a comic, that is your habit not mine. I never used something like this for Darkseid.
By fighting with Highfigther. Search for it or better buy the comic.
Edit: At least you admit that Hulk will be a statue to FlASH; Superman and CA. Progress.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
It was YOUR point your stance that Darkseid reacted to superman so he has the same speed. Sometimes I think you are bizarro. So though the New Gods have real superspeed, unlike Hulk. I can tell you why Darkseid, who is faster than Supes, could tag Supes. You didn't read the comic, so. Superman was weakened and just brought back by Batman and he was still a rookie with his powers^^. I hope that clarifies it completely. BTW Darkseid always had Superspeed, it was always in his powerset like his OE. That is why, if you read comics, you know why he can react to speedsters.Hyperion hold two Planets apart that broke under the pressure. It's good but nothing special, more of a durability feat, he was just in the way. No that is a bad debating style, going by what writers say outside of a comic, that is your habit not mine. I never used something like this for Darkseid.
By fighting with Highfigther. Search for it or better buy the comic.
Edit: At least you admit that Hulk will be a statue to FlASH; Superman and CA. Progress.
Gotcha. So that type of debating style goes both ways. Hulk reacted to Gladiator which means he can react to someone slower like DCNU Superman. Glad we got that out of the way.
Where did it say he was weakened? Scan.
What pressure? What caused the planet's/universe to explode? Hyperion also tanked the destruction of two universe and Hulk made him bleed with a punch. Based off fts (YOU'RE DEBATING STYLE. Said that for reflash), Hulk should be able to blow anyone here up with a punch. Right?
You're passing Superman fts to Darkseid. Based off fts, who is Superior, Hulk or DCNU Darkseid?
What fts does High Father have? Is he stronger, faster, and more durable than Hulk (remember, we are using your debating style here)? If he is, provide scans proving it, then I will back my claim up with scans.
