Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Flash wasn't running at optimum speed, though. He was hurting with every step. You can even see him sweating, which Flash doesn't normally do.
What was the next scan after that?
Read Batman The Dark Knight 3-4.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What are you talking about? Batman told Flash to run as fast as he can in the previous issue.
How does that equate to running at optimum?
Next time you're sick, and I tell you to run as fast as you can....will you be able to get a new PB?
Or if I poison you so that everytime you run, you feel extreme pain - you're gonna tell me you're running at optimum?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85No.
Wasn't that because he had absorbed most of Firestorm's powers?
Well, considering far less than a city level blast did this to Superman:After getting beaten up by two trans tier being in sundipped kryptonians? I could use Superman surviving attacks from Multitude which destroyed 230 planets instantly.And the circumstances that led to it could be replicated by CapAtom, not the best example to bring up.
Superman had been beaten up, then tanked a nuclear explosion (which are < city level), and nearly died. Both can be achievable by Cap. And whilst you might bring up the fact they were beaten up by sunamped Kryptonians, big deal:Your point is? Two sunamped kryptonians would beat the shit out of any herald being.'Even now, they're hard to kill'.
So less than city destroying blasts > sunamped Kryptonians.Ha, enjoying imitating carver?
Firestorm fired city-level blasts, then scattered him across space time. Superman is not able to achieve this.Ha, the same writer had Superman KO Firestorm's peer Major Force with a finger flick.
So moot point.Dr. Light was doing that too. Superman oneshot killed him. While having kryptonite in his brain.Even IF he could do this...Cap was able to reconsititute himself. So still a moot point. Whereas IF Cap was able to do that to Superman, he's ALSO be able to continue leeching power from Supes, preventing him from healing back.
Am only bringing up the low showings, to show how they can be twisted....So.........like carver?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Anhilehend won't understand your points and cannot even grasp anything other than scan posting feats.
How does that equate to running at optimum?Next time you're sick, and I tell you to run as fast as you can....will you be able to get a new PB?
Or if I poison you so that everytime you run, you feel extreme pain - you're gonna tell me you're running at optimum?
Originally posted by carver9Shut up.
👆No telling what speed Flash was going at during that scene. He also circled the earth 'before' Superman showed up and no time was given on how long it took him to do so.
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How does that equate to running at optimum?Next time you're sick, and I tell you to run as fast as you can....will you be able to get a new PB?
Or if I poison you so that everytime you run, you feel extreme pain - you're gonna tell me you're running at optimum?
Flash was having extreme pain when he was running at top speed due to the poison. Batman said to him "run as fast as fast as you can to burn off the poison". In darksaint/carver world that means "run at a lower speed than you can because I can't see Superman matching flash."
Originally posted by carver9
You should've posted the Superman vs the Predator lime creature fight. He took Superman out with a city block level blast. Sad that I have to do everything around here.
Originally posted by Newjak
how did you take from my post that superman can't keep up with flash?I said based on those scans that superman can potentially hit the flash if he outsmarts him. That statement alone means he can keep up. Just flash was clearly faster in those scans and prof was being extremely generous to superman being faster than flash based on those scans.
Secondly you make it sound as if flash has not gotten better feats as well since that fight.
That has never been the case.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No.After getting beaten up by two trans tier being in sundipped kryptonians? I could use Superman surviving attacks from Multitude which destroyed 230 planets instantly.
Your point is? Two sunamped kryptonians would beat the shit out of any herald being.
My point was in the next paragraoh, which you just glossed over with an insult. It still does not take away from the point, though. The nuclear reactor did more damage than the 'trans tier' beings. Which you still haven't addressed. Which was the main point of me bringing it up.
Ha, the same writer had Superman KO Firestorm's peer Major Force with a finger flick.Dr. Light was doing that too. Superman oneshot killed him. While having kryptonite in his brain.
So.........like carver?
So insults and...I'm not sure what Major Force/Dr Light have to do with this, lol. Neither of them are the same as Captain Atom.
Originally posted by abhilegend]Flash was having extreme pain when he was running at top speed due to the poison. Batman said to him "run as fast as fast as you can to burn off the poison". In darksaint/carver world that means "run at a lower speed than you can because I can't see Superman matching flash."
It means that you're not at optimum. I know he was in extreme pain from the poison, hence my statement:
Or if I poison you so that everytime you run, you feel extreme pain - you're gonna tell me you're running at optimum?
In my world, it means 'run as fast as you can'. Do you seriously, honestly, hand on your heart, believe that Flash was running as fast as he could AT THAT TIME? Because, surprise surprise, I DO TOO.
But running as fast as he could AT THAT TIME is NOT the Flash running as fast as he can AT PEAK. Because.....well, he was poisoned. And I am truly mystified as to why you can't see this....
Originally posted by abhilegendI think those scans pretty much showed that flash was fast enough to keep superman from touching him until superman managed to catch him by surprise by out thinking him. The fact that superman was able to do that means he is in the same ballpark but it was pretty clear up until that point superman couldn't touch the flash.
Shut up.😬
facepalmFlash was having extreme pain when he was running at top speed due to the poison. Batman said to him "run as fast as fast as you can to burn off the poison". In darksaint/carver world that means "run at a lower speed than you can because I can't see Superman matching flash."
That was a nervous system attack as I've shown you before. Seriously, shut the **** up.You insinuating that Superman can't keep up with Flash if Flash doesn't wants him to.
That has never been the case.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85And that's why he was running at his top speed as Batman said. To burn the poison out. You are making an assumption that was never stated in the comic.
It means that you're not at optimum. I know he was in extreme pain from the poison, hence my statement:
In my world, it means 'run as fast as you can'. Do you seriously, honestly, hand on your heart, believe that Flash was running as fast as he could AT THAT TIME? Because, surprise surprise, I DO TOO.Those are the same thing as Batman specified in the comic. "Run as fast as you CAN".But running as fast as he could AT THAT TIME is NOT the Flash running as fast as he can AT PEAK. Because.....well, he was poisoned. And I am truly mystified as to why you can't see this....
Not "Run as fast as you can while you're poisoned." The poison had no affect on Flash's speed, it accelerated his metabolism in fact.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And that's why he was running at his top speed as Batman said. To burn the poison out. You are making an assumption that was never stated in the comic.Those are the same thing as Batman specified in the comic. "Run as fast as you CAN".
Not "Run as fast as you can while you're poisoned." The poison had no affect on Flash's speed, it accelerated his metabolism in fact.
Wow, OK.
Just out of curiousity, do you do any kind of sports?
Originally posted by Newjak
I think those scans pretty much showed that flash was fast enough to keep superman from touching him until superman managed to catch him by surprise by out thinking him. The fact that superman was able to do that means he is in the same ballpark but it was pretty clear up until that point superman couldn't touch the flash.
What Justice League showed that is Flash was faster than Superman. Not that Superman had to outsmart Flash, he just predicted where Flash would be and tagged him with his own superspeed. No need to outsmart anybody and if Flash was so much faster, he should've dodged the finger flick too. He didn't.
Originally posted by abhilegendRun as fast as you can implies work within your limitations placed on you by the poison. You deny context all day long and live in your own everything benefits Superman world despite the illogical stances you always seem to take.
And that's why he was running at his top speed as Batman said. To burn the poison out. You are making an assumption that was never stated in the comic.Those are the same thing as Batman specified in the comic. "Run as fast as you CAN".
Not "Run as fast as you can while you're poisoned." The poison had no affect on Flash's speed, it accelerated his metabolism in fact.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wow, OK.Just out of curiousity, do you do any kind of sports?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Did you know why it did the damage? Because the nuclear radiation replaced the sunlight in superman's cells. And that's a major healing feat from Superman too. Not that the reactor was more powerful than Zod and Faora while sunamped. That's just ridiculous.My point was in the next paragraoh, which you just glossed over with an insult. It still does not take away from the point, though. The nuclear reactor did more damage than the 'trans tier' beings. Which you still haven't addressed. Which was the main point of me bringing it up.
So insults and...I'm not sure what Major Force/Dr Light have to do with this, lol. Neither of them are the same as Captain Atom.😂
Missed the whole damn point.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Run as fast as you can implies work within your limitations placed on you by the poison. You deny context all day long and live in your own everything benefits Superman world despite the illogical stances you always seem to take.
It wasn't just implication, though. Flash was sweating, and he was saying how it hurt. He wasn't operating at peak efficiency.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I do. Why?Did you know why it did the damage? Because the nuclear radiation replaced the sunlight in superman's cells. And that's a major healing feat from Superman too. Not that the reactor was more powerful than Zod and Faora while sunamped. That's just ridiculous.
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Missed the whole damn point.
Because I want you to see if you can do something for me.
Go and do your sports. Measure your performance - your absolute best. do it over a number of days, and take your best showing ever.
Then, when you're feeling unwell, do it again. Run as fast as you can. Lift as much as you can. Whatever it iis you do. Are you able to replicate your personal best? Remember, I told you to do the best you can.
As for the nuclear radiation driving out the solar radiation - THAT's the point I was trying to make. Captain Atom can replicate what that reactor did. Superman cannot replicate what Firestorm did. THAT'S my point. And that's why I was ignoring the Major Force/Dr Light parallels. Because Atom does not die if Superman uses HV on him like he did with Dr Light. And Major Force does not have the speed feats of Captain Atom.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It wasn't just implication, though. Flash was sweating, and he was saying how it hurt. He wasn't operating at peak efficiency.
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So don't make assumptions untill you read the comic.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85After an adrenaline boost? Gotcha.
Because I want you to see if you can do something for me.Go and do your sports. Measure your performance - your absolute best. do it over a number of days, and take your best showing ever.
Then, when you're feeling unwell, do it again. Run as fast as you can. Lift as much as you can. Whatever it iis you do. Are you able to replicate your personal best? Remember, I told you to do the best you can.
As for the nuclear radiation driving out the solar radiation - [b]THAT's the point I was trying to make. Captain Atom can replicate what that reactor did. Superman cannot replicate what Firestorm did.CAN is the key word. And it was possible in that comic due to superman being cut off from sunlight in that reactor. Here it wouldn't be possible.
THAT'S my point.Well, its a stupid point.
And that's why I was ignoring the Major Force/Dr Light parallels. Because Atom does not die if Superman uses HV on him like he did with Dr Light.He can be dispersed by excessive power.
And Major Force does not have the speed feats of Captain Atom. [/B]Moot. Superman is faster than Atom anyway.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I guess in abhilegend's world if your liver is failing and someone says you are running as fast as you can then that means a personal record. I am glad you finally see him for all his double standards and ridiculous stances.
It wasn't just implication, though. Flash was sweating, and he was saying how it hurt. He wasn't operating at peak efficiency.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He was hurting and sweating because the toxin was essentially an adrenaline boost. It increased his metabolism and essentially made him faster.🙂
So don't make assumptions untill you read the comic.
I take it as you are calling my statements 'assumptions' and yours be implication are 'facts', you have scans of this? That it made him faster?
Because otherwise....you're just assuming.
