Carver did NOT say that Fixit > Darkseid.
He was applying Prof's debating tactic.
Prof: By combat feats, Superman>Cap Atom. Who has Cap Atom beaten who was on Superman's level? As an example, Dr. Manhattan.
Carver: By that logic, Fixit's feats > Darkseid's feats.
THAT is what he said. Only, and only IF, we use Prof's logic (their speed/strength feats), then Superman>Cap, and therefore, Fixit>Darkseid.
As for this thread,
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
He can still be destroyed by a superior opponent.
Back when he was inexperienced. And even if destroyed, he can reform himself, without it taking a long time. So still not sure what Superman can do.
Superman can move as fast as Flash. He also was transported in a far corner of the Universe and went back to earth in 60 days through multiple Black holes at that.
Was that 60 days a FTL feat? How far is a'far corner'? I already have Cap specifically saying he's FTL, and actually outracing the Big Bang....At best, Superman is =Cap, and at worst (which is what I'm leaning towards), Cap>Superman in speed. Even if they are equal in speed, Cap can reform at will IF Superman somehow manages to destroy him.
what if the suit resists it, as it is a highly advanced kryptonian tech?
How well did his super advanced suit fare when General Lane came a'knockin'? Answer: it was shredded. Being highly advanced Kryp tech means nothing. Not to mention, I haven't seen any transmutation resistance feats from it yet.
Not grasping, just preventin a no limits fallacy. This is btw quite normal here, that is why Dr. Manhattan is not considered in Surfers league. Lack of feats is just that. Firestorm is CA power cap.
First, isn't that what you're arguing with the Kryptonian suit? IT's highly advanced, therefore it will resist Cap A (despite no proof)?
Secondly, Firestorm is also a schizo idiot, with human level reaction times and a human mindset. Which is....nothing like Cap. So the example is moot. Plus, I haven't seen Firestorm cure cancer, or use telepathy, resurrect the dead, or teleport. Not to mention, when Megala had the same powers as Firestorm, and tried taking Cap on, he got wtfpwned.
BFR is still on, right?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver did NOT say that Fixit > Darkseid.He was applying Prof's debating tactic.
Prof: By combat feats, Superman>Cap Atom. Who has Cap Atom beaten who was on Superman's level? As an example, Dr. Manhattan.
Carver: By that logic, Fixit's feats > Darkseid's feats.
THAT is what he said. Only, and only IF, we use Prof's logic (their speed/strength feats), then Superman>Cap, and therefore, Fixit>Darkseid.
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At least someone is keeping up with what is going on here.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Only I get you, carver.
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But I made it simple for anyone with any type of comprehension skill to understand. In the same sentence I brought up Grey Hulk, I said "using your type of debating style".
Originally posted by carver9
@Batman Prime...Nothing during that showing proves Superman was holding back. He was trying to grab Flash and failed.
Superman didn't match him. Flash clearly had the speed edge and didn't throw a single hit when he had plenty of opportunities to do so.
Darkseid hit Superman and Darkseid is much slower, less durable, and isn't close to being as strong as Hulk 'based off fts'. Now if you want to compare fts between the two, let me know. Based off strength and speed fts, Grey Hulk is stronger than Darkseid. We can compare fts if you want. It's fun using your type of debating style. Let me know when you're ready to do this ft war. Grey Hulk strength and speed fts vs DCNU Darkseid strength and speed fts.
So ignoring the Cap vs Superman speed debate. I just wanted to make mention to Prof you are being extremely generous in your interpretations of the DCNu Flash and Superman exchange. Especially saying a holding back Superman was able to easily tag a balls to the walls Flash.
I think myself it is pretty clear that Flash was easily able to outmaneuver Superman as he was practically mocking him the entire time. Superman wised up that he couldn't outright catch Flash. So he managed to lure Flash in a position to catch him off guard. As in Flash easily dodged the fist but didn't factor in Superman being fast enough to flick his finger and catch the Flash by surprise.
To me that exchange means Superman can tag Flash if he outsmarts him but that he most likely on average isn't touching the Flash.
Which isn't a bad feat considering what DCNu Flash has already done. It is actually a really good feat for Superman.
Originally posted by Newjak
So ignoring the Cap vs Superman speed debate. I just wanted to make mention to Prof you are being extremely generous in your interpretations of the DCNu Flash and Superman exchange. Especially saying a holding back Superman was able to easily tag a balls to the walls Flash.I think myself it is pretty clear that Flash was easily able to outmaneuver Superman as he was practically mocking him the entire time. Superman wised up that he couldn't outright catch Flash. So he managed to lure Flash in a position to catch him off guard. As in Flash easily dodged the fist but didn't factor in Superman being fast enough to flick his finger and catch the Flash by surprise.
To me that exchange means Superman can tag Flash if he outsmarts him but that he most likely on average isn't touching the Flash.
Which isn't a bad feat considering what DCNu Flash has already done. It is actually a really good feat for Superman.
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For some speed feats.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, Superman went from Pluto to Earth in less than one minute and arrived before than a cloaked teleportation.Its both a speed feat and reaction feat. Because he has to search entire planet before he could reach the island.
Flash was running at top speed here to the point he covered the planet six times over.Do you think Invincible can keep up with Flash at that speed? Because Batman ordered Flash to run at his top speed to burn out the venom in his body. And current Flash can operate in femtoseconds.
A bunch of other speed feats. Like a weakened Superman going to sun and blitzing Lex back before he could get up after being back at full power.
http://i.imgur.com/XGDrXFh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XlxXaqp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BRJ39iN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yYMT0xZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Op3IINp.jpgOr flying around Earth three hundred times in a very short time after Apollo amped him with a sunlight blast.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/3773690-0q.png
And his reaction time is so fast that he can process data that supercomputers could have taken years to process IN SECONDS.
http://i.imgur.com/SSY6trJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/L50cCAG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Cl8BuXc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wmvtboM.jpgBy definition a supercomputer can process data at nanoseconds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer
So you get an idea of how fast he is.
Then there is blitzing the whole planet while weakened by kryptonite in the middle of a sentence.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20318972/7645489.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20318973/7787807.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20318976/6948729.jpg.html
So yeah, carter is ****ing wrong.
Originally posted by Newjak
So ignoring the Cap vs Superman speed debate. I just wanted to make mention to Prof you are being extremely generous in your interpretations of the DCNu Flash and Superman exchange. Especially saying a holding back Superman was able to easily tag a balls to the walls Flash.I think myself it is pretty clear that Flash was easily able to outmaneuver Superman as he was practically mocking him the entire time. Superman wised up that he couldn't outright catch Flash. So he managed to lure Flash in a position to catch him off guard. As in Flash easily dodged the fist but didn't factor in Superman being fast enough to flick his finger and catch the Flash by surprise.
To me that exchange means Superman can tag Flash if he outsmarts him but that he most likely on average isn't touching the Flash.
Which isn't a bad feat considering what DCNu Flash has already done. It is actually a really good feat for Superman.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2404108-flashsixtime1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2404109-flashsixtime2.jpg
That Superman in JL 2 was a younger, weaker superman so basing his current speed is faulty.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver did NOT say that Fixit > Darkseid.He was applying Prof's debating tactic.
Prof: By combat feats, Superman>Cap Atom. Who has Cap Atom beaten who was on Superman's level? As an example, Dr. Manhattan.
Carver: By that logic, Fixit's feats > Darkseid's feats.
THAT is what he said. Only, and only IF, we use Prof's logic (their speed/strength feats), then Superman>Cap, and therefore, Fixit>Darkseid.
As for this thread,
Back when he was inexperienced. And even if destroyed, he can reform himself, without it taking a long time. So still not sure what Superman can do.
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Was that 60 days a FTL feat? How far is a'far corner'? I already have Cap specifically saying he's FTL, and actually outracing the Big Bang....At best, Superman is =Cap, and at worst (which is what I'm leaning towards), Cap>Superman in speed. Even if they are equal in speed, Cap can reform at will IF Superman somehow manages to destroy him.[b]
How well did his super advanced suit fare when General Lane came a'knockin'? Answer: it was shredded. Being highly advanced Kryp tech means nothing. Not to mention, I haven't seen any transmutation resistance feats from it yet.
First, isn't that what you're arguing with the Kryptonian suit? IT's highly advanced, therefore it will resist Cap A (despite no proof)?Secondly, Firestorm is also a schizo idiot, with human level reaction times and a human mindset. Which is....nothing like Cap. So the example is moot. Plus, I haven't seen Firestorm cure cancer, or use telepathy, resurrect the dead, or teleport. Not to mention, when Megala had the same powers as Firestorm, and tried taking Cap on, he got wtfpwned.
BFR is still on, right?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman can easily keep up with top speed Flash.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2404108-flashsixtime1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2404109-flashsixtime2.jpgThat Superman in JL 2 was a younger, weaker superman so basing his current speed is faulty.
Flash wasn't running at optimum speed, though. He was hurting with every step. You can even see him sweating, which Flash doesn't normally do.
What was the next scan after that?
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's why Firestorm overpowered him by city level blasts and scattered his essence across space time, right?
Wasn't that because he had absorbed most of Firestorm's powers?
Well, considering far less than a city level blast did this to Superman:
And the circumstances that led to it could be replicated by CapAtom, not the best example to bring up.
Superman had been beaten up, then tanked a nuclear explosion (which are < city level), and nearly died. Both can be achievable by Cap. And whilst you might bring up the fact they were beaten up by sunamped Kryptonians, big deal:
'Even now, they're hard to kill'.
So less than city destroying blasts > sunamped Kryptonians.
Firestorm fired city-level blasts, then scattered him across space time. Superman is not able to achieve this.
So moot point.
Even IF he could do this...Cap was able to reconsititute himself. So still a moot point. Whereas IF Cap was able to do that to Superman, he's ALSO be able to continue leeching power from Supes, preventing him from healing back.
Am only bringing up the low showings, to show how they can be twisted....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Flash wasn't running at optimum speed, though. He was hurting with every step. You can even see him sweating, which Flash doesn't normally do.
What was the next scan after that?
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No telling what speed Flash was going at during that scene. He also circled the earth 'before' Superman showed up and no time was given on how long it took him to do so.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wasn't that because he had absorbed most of Firestorm's powers?Well, considering far less than a city level blast did this to Superman:
And the circumstances that led to it could be replicated by CapAtom, not the best example to bring up.
Superman had been beaten up, then tanked a nuclear explosion (which are < city level), and nearly died. Both can be achievable by Cap. And whilst you might bring up the fact they were beaten up by sunamped Kryptonians, big deal:
'Even now, they're hard to kill'.
So less than city destroying blasts > sunamped Kryptonians.
Firestorm fired city-level blasts, then scattered him across space time. Superman is not able to achieve this.
So moot point.
Even IF he could do this...Cap was able to reconsititute himself. So still a moot point. Whereas IF Cap was able to do that to Superman, he's ALSO be able to continue leeching power from Supes, preventing him from healing back.
Am only bringing up the low showings, to show how they can be twisted....
You should've posted the Superman vs the Predator lime creature fight. He took Superman out with a city block level blast. Sad that I have to do everything around here.
Originally posted by abhilegendhow did you take from my post that superman can't keep up with flash?
Superman can easily keep up with top speed Flash.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2404108-flashsixtime1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2404109-flashsixtime2.jpgThat Superman in JL 2 was a younger, weaker superman so basing his current speed is faulty.
I said based on those scans that superman can potentially hit the flash if he outsmarts him. That statement alone means he can keep up. Just flash was clearly faster in those scans and prof was being extremely generous to superman being faster than flash based on those scans.
Secondly you make it sound as if flash has not gotten better feats as well since that fight.
