Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Not when you mix up Official Canon with the EU.
Not really. G-canon was always higher than the EU, and Lucas confirmed that Anakin did fulfill the prophecy. And as Freshest said, you could make sense of it. Point is, there was no way in getting around the fact that Anakin did fulfill his destiny.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Which is why Disney did the right thing by separating all previous comics/books from Official Canon.
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I mean, I do hate to see some of the EU go, but with all the inconsistencies in it, I think it's necessary.
Hopefully they confirm the Mortis family as being just illusions created by the force. I don't like the idea of force god-like beings in SW other than the Force Priestesses. Looking back at the Mortis trilogy, though, that whole incident was pretty much irrelevant, and the Father seemed far too ignorant to have lived as long as he did and to be as powerful as he was. I'm hoping it was just the forces way of warning Anakin the dangers of using the dark side, but then again that wouldn't make too much sense considering how Anakin was given a detailed vision of his future only to have it erased from his memory.
I just think the whole arc was silly, and the Ones of Mortis all seemed kooky and nuts. The force priestesses seemed much more intelligent and knowledgeable. I enjoyed the Mortis trilogy when I first watched it, but thinking back on it, it seems irrelevant, IMO.
Jesus, this thread became ****ing terrible after I left.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I like debating SW, hence why I even post here, unlike missmith, who posts here to try to convince people here of his unmatched manliness.You say I'm bothered, yet you're the one complaining about me bringing up Sidious.
At least Cart debates instead of whining. All you do is cry and whine without even attempting to refute. You are bothered by Sidious's superiority over DS enhanced Vitiate.
We can end the bickering and compare their abilities and accolades, I promise you Vitiate won't come close in a comparison. In fact, I will use ROTS just to make it fair. Do you accept, or do you want to keep crying?
Ant, I shortened my post. Does this mean I'm less bothered?
No thanks.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Not really. G-canon was always higher than the EU, and Lucas confirmed that Anakin did fulfill the prophecy. And as Freshest said, you could make sense of it. Point is, there was no way in getting around the fact that Anakin did fulfill his destiny.
The prophecy has always had problems in the Eu.
G-Canon was higher than the EU, but would consistently contradict it with new material. Like you can try and make sense out of the Emperor's rebirth in DE after it was Anakin's destiny to destroy him, but honestly it made no sense, simply because there was no proper synergy between mediums.
Lucas did his thing, then the rest of the countless EU authors would do their thing trying to fit in with Lucas's new additions to canon.
But the only way to do that right is to have a board that consults with the people making the movies, animation and comics/novels/games to tell them all what can and can't be done, providing proper synergy between the different mediums. Having a coherent plan nehind all of it (like the Marvel movies have done with their shared Universe).
And that's whats being done now with SW. And I for one am happy that anything new I read with Vader, Tarkin, Ventress, Vos or whoever in it will be proper canon in the movie world as well.
But like you both agreed the only way to do that right was to eliminate all the old EU (minus TCW).
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The prophecy has always had problems in the Eu.G-Canon was higher than the EU, but would consistently contradict it with new material. Like you can try and make sense out of the Emperor's rebirth in DE after it was Anakin's destiny to destroy him, but honestly it made no sense, simply because there was no proper synergy between mediums.
Lucas did his thing, then the rest of the countless EU authors would do their thing trying to fit in with Lucas's new additions to canon.
But the only way to do that right is to have a board that consults with the people making the movies, animation and comics/novels/games to tell them all what can and can't be done, providing proper synergy between the different mediums. Having a coherent plan nehind all of it (like the Marvel movies have done with their shared Universe).
And that's whats being done now with SW. And I for one am happy that anything new I read with Vader, Tarkin, Ventress, Vos or whoever in it will be proper canon in the movie world as well.
But like you both agreed the only way to do that right was to eliminate all the old EU (minus TCW).
Actually the rebirth of Sidious, or Caedus becoming a sith, Abeloth , or the recreation of a new sith order didn't contradict Anakin bringing balance, it just undermined it a lot. Fact is, Anakin did bring balance, even if it was short lived.
Even Disney will likely undermine it a bit, considering there likely will be a force using antagonist, but hopefully not to the same extent that the EU did. I've heard rumors that Palpatine will be the main villain of the new movies. If he is, hopefully he's in spirit form and won't have the same affect on the force as he did when he was alive, which won't diminish Anakin's sacrifice as much as the EU did.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Actually the rebirth of Sidious, or Caedus becoming a sith, Abeloth , or the recreation of a new sith order didn't contradict Anakin bringing balance, it just undermined it a lot. Fact is, Anakin did bring balance, even if it was short lived.Even Disney will likely undermine it a bit, considering there likely will be a force using antagonist, but hopefully not to the same extent that the EU did. I've heard rumors that Palpatine will be the main villain of the new movies. If he is, hopefully he's in spirit form and won't have the same affect on the force as he did when he was alive, which won't diminish Anakin's sacrifice as much as the EU did.
Oh there's clearly going to be more Sith and Darksiders in the future. But the fact that he killed Palpatine is key to keeping some/any point to the whole prophecy.
Palpatine could be back in Ep 7 via holograms/holocrons or flashbacks or dark spirit form.
Apocalypse take on balance of the Force:
"Luke smiled anyway, grateful for his son's concern, then turned to look out on the devastation below. It was hard to know whether Thuruht's history of Abeloth's origin was entirely accurate, but Luke did trust the Jedi record of the encounter on Mortis-and he found it troubling. His father's refusal to become the new Keeper of the Balance had set off a terrible chain of events. All three of the Ones had died, and now the Force was out of balance."
"Looking back over the last half century, it certainly seemed to Luke that there had been a shift toward chaos. Powerful forces of darkness were rising across the entire galaxy-Jacen Solo had become Darth Caedus, the Sith were returning in hordes, and Daala had emerged from the Maw. Boba Fett was now the leader of an entire world of mercenaries, and the Imperial Moffs had developed and unleashed a horrific nanoweapon."
"The galaxy was tipping toward darkness before their eyes, and as far as Luke could see, the Jedi and their allies were the only ones capable of restoring the Balance. If they did not dedicate themselves completely to the light, all would be lost."
"The Father is the Keeper of the Balance," Tekli said. "There were several other panels showing him trying to keep the peace between the Son and the Daughter."
"The Killiks call Abeloth the Bringer of Chaos," Tekli said, motioning for Lowbacca to lower the datapad. "They seem to view her as the counterpart to the Father's role as Keeper of the Balance, and associate her with strife and violence."
"Luke nodded. "Of course," he said. "But there isn't a lot to tell. In Yoda's story, Obi-Wan and Anakin Skywalker encountered the Father when he was dying. The Son and the Daughter were at odds because the Son wanted to take the Father's place. The Father told Anakin that he had been chosen to assume the Father's place-and keep the balance between the two siblings. When Anakin refused, matters came to a head. The Ones fought, all three were slain, and their world died with them."
"Saba slapped both palms on the table. "This one is certain. It explainz too much-why there is so much darknesz and change in the galaxy, why war comes so often and nothing stayz certain." She glanced around the table, meeting the gaze of each Master in turn, then said, "The Force has no Balance."